GoNotQuietly 719 Report post Posted September 12 57kg - Takahashi (Fix-5th)61kg - YBR (Graff DNP) 65kg - Rashidov [or Aliyev/Khiche/Otoguro it’s impossible to tell w/o brackets (Zain DNP) 70kg - Baev (Green 3rd) 74kg - Burroughs79kg - Dake86kg - Yazdani (Downey DNP) 92kg - Cox97kg - Sadulaev (Snyder 2nd) 125kg- Akgul (Gwiz 3rd)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 719 Report post Posted September 12 If anyone cares to put money on their Zain placing at 65kg predictions, I will gladly take it off their hands... love Zain, but this bracket is going to be a minefield Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Jon_Kozak reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiraz123 503 Report post Posted September 12 57: Uguev 61: The Japanese wrestler. Can't remember his name. 65: Otoguru 70: Baev 74: Sidakov 79: Dake 86: Naifanov 92: Cox 97: Sadulaev 125: Akguuuuuuul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,810 Report post Posted September 12 (edited) 57kg - Japan (Fix DNP) 61kg - Japan (Graff DNP) 65kg - Russia (Zain DNP) 70kg - Georgia (Green DNP) 74kg - Burroughs 79kg - Dake 86kg - Iran (PD3 DNP) 92kg - Cox 97kg - Russia (Snyder silver) 125kg- Turkey (Gwiz bronze) Edited September 12 by Housebuye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sidakova4991 26 Report post Posted September 12 8 hours ago, Shiraz123 said: 57: Uguev 61: The Japanese wrestler. Can't remember his name. 65: Otoguru 70: Baev 74: Sidakov 79: Dake 86: Naifanov 92: Cox 97: Sadulaev 125: Akguuuuuuul I am with this; except at 61 I think Idrisov will get it and at 86, I sadly cannot see Naifonov beating Yazdani. Good list. 1 Jon_Kozak reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Genius 179 Report post Posted September 12 (edited) FS: 57kg: 50/50 between Uguev and Amiraslanov. I'll go with Uguev this time. 61kg: Bonne (close with Idrisov and Hamaguchi though). 65kg: Stacked division, hard to choose between Otoguru, Aliyev and Rashidov. I'll go with Otoguru, kid's a machine. 70kg: Very weak division, I think Kaipanov will win. 74kg: Toss up between JB and Sidakov. Both are on form but I'm going with Sidakov. 79kg: Dake easy again in a weak division. 86kg: Yazdani easy. 92kg: Cox easy. 97kg: Sadulaev easy. 130kg: Toss up between Geno and Taha obviously but I think Akgul is back on form and should win this year. Edited September 12 by The Genius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 457 Report post Posted September 13 I have most of my picks now, but 57 and 65 are driving me nuts. IMO, this year 57 is just like 65 where 10 different guys can win it, and Daton is one of them. Sanayev (KAZ) will definitely be one of the favorites in front of the home crowd and might meet #1 Atli (TUR) (one of my favorites to win it) in the semis. Picking Uguev (RUS) not to win gold this year but still not sure who to pick to win. ........will be back 1 GoNotQuietly reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 819 Report post Posted September 13 General thoughts on Team USA: 57 - Fix. I think lightning can strike here. He is world class by every measure. Ceiling:. Gold. 61kg - Graff. Journeyman cinderella story of sorts. I can see him winning a few. Ceiling:. DNP 65kg - Zain. Motivated. We've had a drought. 65 is a meat grinder. Ceiling: Bronze 70kg - Green. Will this be his last hurrah? Does he want to continue? Has all the talent in the world, but can he put it together? Ceiling: Bronze 74kg - JB. Nuff said. Ceiling: Gold. 79kg - Dake. Nuff said. Ceiling: Gold. 86kg - Downey. I can't help but think that even though he became our rep, that he had Lady luck on his side the entire time. I wish good things, and humility, for Downey. But... I think he's going to have a rough time of it. Ceiling:. DNP 92kg - Cox. His legend status is only beginning. Ceiling: Gold. 97kg - Snyder. He is a legend. But, another legend is there. Shall we see part 3? I sure hope so. Ceiling is gold, but predict a silver to Sad. 125kg - Gwiz. He's the third best heavyweight in the world in my humble opinion. Those other two are monsters. Ceiling: Bronze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Genius 179 Report post Posted September 13 19 minutes ago, treep2000 said: 125kg - Gwiz. He's the third best heavyweight in the world in my humble opinion. Those other two are monsters. Ceiling: Bronze. Ahead of Parviz Hadi? Not even close Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 819 Report post Posted September 13 3 minutes ago, The Genius said: Ahead of Parviz Hadi? Not even close We shall see Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Genius 179 Report post Posted September 13 23 minutes ago, treep2000 said: We shall see Gwiz can't even beat Deng, please calm down, Gwiz is barely a top 6 HW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 710 Report post Posted September 13 3 hours ago, The Genius said: Gwiz can't even beat Deng, please calm down, Gwiz is barely a top 6 HW. He's really not a top 6 heavyweight, in an open world tournament. Luckily that's not what this is. He can beat anyone in the bracket outside of the top 2, and he's 2/2 medaling. I like his chances to snag another bronze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Genius 179 Report post Posted September 13 Just now, steamboat_charlie v2 said: He's really not a top 6 heavyweight, in an open world tournament. Luckily that's not what this is. He can beat anyone in the bracket outside of the top 2, and he's 2/2 medaling. I like his chances to snag another bronze. He can't beat Hadi so in my opinion he is not a top 3 HW. I agree with the rest of what you wrote but that wasn't what the guy said. Last year Gwiz had the luckiest draw possible (Geno, Taha, Hadi and Khizriev all on the other bracket - wow !!) and he still lost to Deng. In 2017 he did well and performed to his potential which is a Bronze with a good draw. This year Hadi is out again so if Gwiz gets another lucky draw he can get a Bronze, but I doubt he'll medal this time, his luck has to run out eventually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 710 Report post Posted September 13 21 minutes ago, The Genius said: He can't beat Hadi so in my opinion he is not a top 3 HW. I agree with the rest of what you wrote but that wasn't what the guy said. Last year Gwiz had the luckiest draw possible (Geno, Taha, Hadi and Khizriev all on the other bracket - wow !!) and he still lost to Deng. In 2017 he did well and performed to his potential which is a Bronze with a good draw. This year Hadi is out again so if Gwiz gets another lucky draw he can get a Bronze, but I doubt he'll medal this time, his luck has to run out eventually. Perhaps it will. I think he could beat Hadi on the right day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airmail 44 Report post Posted September 13 5 hours ago, treep2000 said: General thoughts on Team USA: 57 - Fix. I think lightning can strike here. He is world class by every measure. Ceiling:. Gold. 61kg - Graff. Journeyman cinderella story of sorts. I can see him winning a few. Ceiling:. DNP 65kg - Zain. Motivated. We've had a drought. 65 is a meat grinder. Ceiling: Bronze 70kg - Green. Will this be his last hurrah? Does he want to continue? Has all the talent in the world, but can he put it together? Ceiling: Bronze 74kg - JB. Nuff said. Ceiling: Gold. 79kg - Dake. Nuff said. Ceiling: Gold. 86kg - Downey. I can't help but think that even though he became our rep, that he had Lady luck on his side the entire time. I wish good things, and humility, for Downey. But... I think he's going to have a rough time of it. Ceiling:. DNP 92kg - Cox. His legend status is only beginning. Ceiling: Gold. 97kg - Snyder. He is a legend. But, another legend is there. Shall we see part 3? I sure hope so. Ceiling is gold, but predict a silver to Sad. 125kg - Gwiz. He's the third best heavyweight in the world in my humble opinion. Those other two are monsters. Ceiling: Bronze. Nice, good points & predictions. 1 treep2000 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,810 Report post Posted September 14 On 9/12/2019 at 12:38 AM, GoNotQuietly said: If anyone cares to put money on their Zain placing at 65kg predictions, I will gladly take it off their hands... love Zain, but this bracket is going to be a minefield Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree with you But...wouldn’t it be crazy if Zain won the thing? 2017 was just fluky and came down to 1 poor decision where he gave the match away. He really is the best in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 457 Report post Posted September 14 57 Atli (TUR) 61 Want to pick Harytyunyan (ARM) but don't see him in entry list; if he's not there, the other kid Yamaguchi (JPN) 65 Retherford (USA) 70 Kaipanov (KAZ) 74 Burroughs (USA) 79 Dake (USA) 86 Yazdani (IRI) 92 Cox (USA) 97 Snyder (USA) 125 Akgul (TUR) USA reclaims the team title. :D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 819 Report post Posted September 14 On 9/13/2019 at 12:27 PM, The Genius said: Gwiz can't even beat Deng, please calm down, Gwiz is barely a top 6 HW. How do the words "we shall see" evoke any sense of you being able to gauge my level of calmness? If you have a superpower, that's awesome. If you're just a troll, then I guess I stepped in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 819 Report post Posted September 14 21 hours ago, 2td3nf said: 57 Atli (TUR) 61 Want to pick Harytyunyan (ARM) but don't see him in entry list; if he's not there, the other kid Yamaguchi (JPN) 65 Retherford (USA) 70 Kaipanov (KAZ) 74 Burroughs (USA) 79 Dake (USA) 86 Yazdani (IRI) 92 Cox (USA) 97 Snyder (USA) 125 Akgul (TUR) USA reclaims the team title. :D Bold sir . Very bold. I like it! 1 2td3nf reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bnwtwg 130 Report post Posted September 15 Only medals will come from Burroughs, Dake, Cox, and Snyder. Fix is a dark horse medal threat, and I can see anywhere from 2-6 medals from the US contingent this year. I would not be surprised if Cox and Snyder win, or DNP if taking an early loss and not getting pulled through. I suspect everyone else will BBQ with the exception of Green and Gwiz. i hope I’m extremely wrong and the US take home the team title and lots of medals this year! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMickey92 13 Report post Posted September 15 Jeez. People seem to really underestimate Zain on these boards saying he’s a for sure dnp. Don’t get me wrong, I know it’s a stacked weight class and wouldn’t be surprised if he did in fact dnp, but his only international losses in the last couple of years have been to two world silver medalists. He’s right there with the best imo and anything can happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 612 Report post Posted September 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, CMickey92 said: Jeez. People seem to really underestimate Zain on these boards saying he’s a for sure dnp. Don’t get me wrong, I know it’s a stacked weight class and wouldn’t be surprised if he did in fact dnp, but his only international losses in the last couple of years have been to two world silver medalists. He’s right there with the best imo and anything can happen. Zain is an incredible wrestler. And every American fan will be cheering for him. But his resume to date does not suggest he'll win a medal later this week. Here are his individual senior level accomplishments, as far as I can tell: 2019- Yasar Dogu- 7th 2019- Ivan Yarygin- 8th 2017- Worlds- 11th 2017- Grand Prix of Spain- 1st 2015- Dave Schultz- 4th I’d love to see Zain prove the conventional wisdom wrong and win a medal, and I’m sure other US fans would love to see that, too. Edited September 15 by Katie 2 CMickey92 and bnwtwg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMickey92 13 Report post Posted September 15 3 hours ago, Katie said: Zain is an incredible wrestler. And every American fan will be cheering for him. But his resume to date does not suggest he'll win a medal later this week. Here are his individual senior level accomplishments, as far as I can tell: 2019- Yasar Dogu- 7th 2019- Ivan Yarygin- 8th 2017- Worlds- 11th 2017- Grand Prix of Spain- 1st 2015- Dave Schultz- 4th I’d love to see Zain prove the conventional wisdom wrong and win a medal, and I’m sure other US fans would love to see that, too. You have a valid point that if you base it off of recent international results alone, it looks like he is going to dnp and I am not refuting that. However, if you look deeper into it, I think it paints a bigger picture as to where he is at compared to the top of the world. His Yasar results stem from losing to Yianni (who he has now beaten twice when it mattered) and then defaulting out of the rest of the tournament because of an injury. His Yarygin result is from losing to a 2018 World silver medalist by a last second takedown and then being eliminated when Rashidov didn’t make the finals. Before those results, his only international loss was from almost two years ago to another worlds silver. So his only losses to foreign wrestlers in the last two years have been to world medalists in competitive matches. Now I am not saying I think he will medal nor am I saying I think he won’t. I’m just saying that from what I see, he’s right there with the elite of the elite skill wise even though his credentials don’t necessarily show that yet. 2 2td3nf and AZ_wrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bnwtwg 130 Report post Posted September 17 On 9/15/2019 at 12:23 PM, CMickey92 said: You have a valid point that if you base it off of recent international results alone, it looks like he is going to dnp and I am not refuting that. However, if you look deeper into it, I think it paints a bigger picture as to where he is at compared to the top of the world. His Yasar results stem from losing to Yianni (who he has now beaten twice when it mattered) and then defaulting out of the rest of the tournament because of an injury. His Yarygin result is from losing to a 2018 World silver medalist by a last second takedown and then being eliminated when Rashidov didn’t make the finals. Before those results, his only international loss was from almost two years ago to another worlds silver. So his only losses to foreign wrestlers in the last two years have been to world medalists in competitive matches. Now I am not saying I think he will medal nor am I saying I think he won’t. I’m just saying that from what I see, he’s right there with the elite of the elite skill wise even though his credentials don’t necessarily show that yet. Lots of people have lost to Dake by one point through the years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites