74 kg discussion

[Katie 613]

Lots of competitors entered at 74kg. Chamizo is the #1 seed. JB is #2. And Sidakov is #3.

If JB makes it to the finals, here are his likely opponents:

• R32- Nurykau (Belarus). He's a good wrestler who has beaten iMart.
• R16- the winner of Kuramagomedov (Hungary)/Kirov (Bulgaria). Should be manageable.
• Quarters- whoever comes out alive between Gomez, Bezkod, and Demirtas. Won't be easy.
• Semis- Sidakov. Very tough.
• Finals- Chamizo. Very tough.

Edited September 19 by Katie

[MDogg 179]

JB has just about the worst draw possible, and Chamizo has just about the best. To win gold JB will likely have to avenge losses to guys who have beaten him in the quarters, semis, and finals. 

[misterc 34]

Tough road ahead, no doubt.  If he's able to win this bracket, it'll be stuff of legends.

[Katie 613]

27 minutes ago, misterc said:

Tough road ahead, no doubt.  If he's able to win this bracket, it'll be stuff of legends.

Gomez (1x medalist) and Bezkod (2x medalist) will have the most heroic road to the finals.

• Pigtail- Eachother
• R32- old man Garzon (4x medalist)
• R16- Demirtas (2x medalist)
• Quarters- Burroughs (5x champ)
• Semis- Sidakov (reigning champ)
• Finals- Chamizo (2x champ)

That's just ridiculous.

Edited September 19 by Katie

[sidakova4991 26]

Let's go, Sidakov!  I think Sidakov is a much tougher match than Chamizo is.  

[NJDan 435]

1 hour ago, MDogg said:

JB has just about the worst draw possible, and Chamizo has just about the best. To win gold JB will likely have to avenge losses to guys who have beaten him in the quarters, semis, and finals. 

Who beat JB who he could face in the quarters?

[misterc 34]

Just now, NJDan said:

Who beat JB who he could face in the quarters?

Bekzod

[Jon_Kozak 151]

2 minutes ago, misterc said:

Bekzod

2016 Olympics 

[Plasmodium 1,124]

How does Chamizo get these seeds?  He has this system figured out.

[misterc 34]

Just now, Plasmodium said:

How does Chamizo get these seeds?  He has this system figured out.

I don't think it's all that hard, right?  He just wrestles at as many ranking tournaments as he can.  Burroughs got to a few of them, thus earning his 2nd seed.

[Crotalus 231]

Yeah, this year has proven that getting the 1 seed is a huge advantage.

[Ogalthorpe Haywood 206]

35 minutes ago, Crotalus said:

Yeah, this year has proven that getting the 1 seed is a huge advantage.

Yes it was smart, a few guys took advantage. Bajrang also wrestled everywhere to get that 1 seed, and he had a great draw to get to the  semis 

[CaliWrestler 45]

49 minutes ago, sidakova4991 said:

Let's go, Sidakov!  I think Sidakov is a much tougher match than Chamizo is.  

Not after JB got his hands on him and got a feel for them

[CaliWrestler 45]

2 hours ago, MDogg said:

JB has just about the worst draw possible, and Chamizo has just about the best. To win gold JB will likely have to avenge losses to guys who have beaten him in the quarters, semis, and finals. 

2 of them he has beat multiple times since his losses, Remember that he said nobody has beat him twice.

Hope his words dont come back and bite him

Edited September 19 by CaliWrestler

[CaliWrestler 45]

59 minutes ago, sidakova4991 said:

Let's go, Sidakov!  I think Sidakov is a much tougher match than Chamizo is.  

BOO BOO HAHA looking forward to good match with JB hand raised 

[mspart 153]

You all make it look like JB got a bad draw.  Ever consider that those in his bracket and facing him feel they have the tough draw.  The whole point of the tourney is to beat all comers.  JB has a history of doing just that. 

mspart

[Perry 956]

The fact that chamizo literally forfeited a finals appearance vs Burroughs and stoll got the 1 seed is absurd

[Housebuye 1,816]

1 minute ago, Perry said:

The fact that chamizo literally forfeited a finals appearance vs Burroughs and stoll got the 1 seed is absurd

The rules are pretty clear. Head to head has no bearing on seeds

[NJDan 435]

1 hour ago, misterc said:

Bekzod

right, on that one bad day. JB has avenged this loss, has he not?

[steamboat_charlie v2 711]

7 minutes ago, mspart said:

You all make it look like JB got a bad draw.  Ever consider that those in his bracket and facing him feel they have the tough draw.  The whole point of the tourney is to beat all comers.  JB has a history of doing just that. 

mspart

I don't mean any offense here, but of course we've all considered this.  It's just not helpful to say because it doesn't really add much to the discussion.

IMO, the "YOU'RE THE BAD DRAW!!! NOBODY WANTS TO SEE YOU IN THE BRACKET!!!" talk is for lazy coaches that can't think of any better way to prepare their wrestlers. 

[NJDan 435]

Maybe slightly off point, but it seems to me that JB used to drive guys crazy with his fakes, but he does not fake as much as he used to.

 

[jmachinder 64]

Aside from Sidakov, JB has beaten everyone who has beaten him at least twice (Marable, Dake, Imar, Gudeuv, Chamizo, Tsargush, Abdurakmanov)

[spladle08 556]

The rules are pretty clear. Head to head has no bearing on seeds

Right? Anyone can wrestle ranking events... Chamizo did? I dont see how fans think he should be punished for sitting a match, when he literally wrestled the most high level tournaments of anyone. Hence earning the most points as a returning non-medalist....  Also whoever said Sidakov is tougher matchup than Chamizo.. "lol"

Last year as surprise entrant, he had a miraculous run. He has been really close with "the field" since... and with the target on his back I don't see the big dogs getting caught sleeping.

 

If anyone but Burroughs comes out of the bottom side I'll favor Chamizo. If it is JB. Its a toss.

 

Also note . JBs first match terrifies me.

 

I think he is pretty solid through semis after that we'll see

 

Also ....I think Franklin actually navigates his way to JB

 

 

 

 

 

[misterc 34]

30 minutes ago, NJDan said:

right, on that one bad day. JB has avenged this loss, has he not?

Yes, at least twice.  Latest at the Dan Kolov.  But he always wrestles JB tough.

[Plasmodium 1,124]

JB has never lost to the same guy twice.