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10 minutes ago, iGranby said:

Why is NBC showing a rerun? Are there not medal matches going on?

It seems there are women's matches with no Americans. I guess NBC thinks we won't care. Prolly right about that.

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3 minutes ago, scribe said:

It’s a fair question. He effectively did this week. 

He effectively got an easier draw. Fix lost to a former world champ because the ref decided to put him on the shot clock twice despite him having the only takedown and being the aggressor much of the match. 

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So Micic, I assume, qualified 57kg for Serbia for the Olympics. Is that right?

If so, does that mean he's taking an Olympic redshirt this coming year? Has he announced whether he will yet?

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1 minute ago, Eagle26 said:

He effectively got an easier draw. Fix lost to a former world champ because the ref decided to put him on the shot clock twice despite him having the only takedown and being the aggressor much of the match. 

Yeah, with the current repechage system, it's impossible to make that comparison because each side is isolated except the finals. But he did out place him, and that is what matters.

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5 minutes ago, scribe said:

There are very few bad draws. Seriously if you want to be a world champ you just take that guy out in front of you at the beginning or the end. 

I’m assuming this is sarcasm right? If there truly is a best guy in the bracket, it doesn’t matter what he is seeded. But a DNP guy on one side of the bracket can absolutely be better than a 5th, 3rd, or even 2nd on the other side. 

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I liked Flo's general take on draws...

When youre talking about winning the whole damn thing, absolutely you need to be able to beat everyone anyway. No doubt. This is the attitude most of our athletes have anyway.

When youre talking about qualifying your country for the olympics, or even just wrestling for a medal, or maybe making the finals to prove that you are at least the 2nd best wrestler in your weight... the draw is so important. This is mostly the standpoint of coaches/fans..etc. 

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54 minutes ago, spladle08 said:
55 minutes ago, JBluegill133 said:
Tough one for Burroughs.  How about that shot/lace defense by Cox?!  I read a stat that he hasn't been taken down in over a year.  

Cox is a beast amoung boys

I would certainly favor Cox over Karimi based on their history, but believe me, Karimi is going to bring it. Look at his tournament. He has teched everyone he faced. He is hungry. It won't be a "beast among boys" final match. 

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26 minutes ago, Eagle26 said:

He effectively got an easier draw. Fix lost to a former world champ because the ref decided to put him on the shot clock twice despite him having the only takedown and being the aggressor much of the match. 

I'm copying this post I made on the other thread because I'm shocked at the lack of understanding on display about the Fix / Takahashi match. You don't seem to understand what passivity is in freestyle wrestling. The ref put Fix on the shot clock because he was passive, backing away from Takahashi's offensive setups.

Folkstyle folks be like, "Only leg shots are offense." Watch that match again and realize what I'm sure the USA coaches have now realized, which is that wrestlers who want to pull out of a Russian tie or a two-on-one had better find a way to do so without backing or running away. Takahashi works his offense off of a few different two-on-one arm ties. 30 seconds into the match, Takahashi, standing on the center spot of the mat, reaches for the two-on-one twice. Fix backs and then runs away to the outer part of the circle and the official uses his blue hand to make the "move forward and engage" signal. Fix continues to try to escape Takahashi's throw-by set up, a two-on-one on Fix's left arm, and it's clear that ref is going to warn him (5:18). Fix's mistake is that he isn't clearing the two-on-one and transitioning into his own offense. He's moving back into outer space. Imagine a wrestler who works his offense off a collar tie, and every time he locks another wrestler up with a collar tie, that wrestler clears it and backs up instead of looking to attack. Imagine a guy who shoots from space, and instead of re-attacking and generating offense, the other guy keeps backing away. This is essentially what Fix is doing in this match; he's backing away from Takehashi's offensive setups. Watch the whistle start after the first passive warning. Fix starts in a very forward position, over the center of the mat, but as soon as Takahashi goes for the two-on-one, he circles into the orange outer band. The ref immediately puts his blue hand up and encourages him to engage. Do you not understand that this is passivity? Takahashi continues to go for the two-on-one tie on Fix's left arm, and Fix continues to back away, and it's no surprise that the ref puts him on the 30 second clock at 4:31. Watch the entire match with positioning in mind. Takahashi works the middle of the mat the whole time. After the first shot clock point, Fix ties up in a collar tie and makes some effective fakes, causing Takahashi to back away. The ref immediately lifts the red hand and warns Takehashi for passivity. The ref does a good job in this low scoring match of encouraging action. It's a disappointment that a wrestler with the dynamism of Daton Fix was unable to create more action. The takedown and ensuing flurries of action at the beginning of the second period were good signs, and Fix should have continued. When he creates action, he scores more that his opponent. Again, Takehashi continues moving forward, looking for the Russian tie on the left arm. Fix never turns it into HIS offense. At one point he uses his left arm to overhook, a great tactic, as Takehashi doesn't seem able to create action. The ref blows it dead quickly, as noone is attacking. 

Lessons were learned from this match. Daton will be better prepared for his next meeting with Takehashi.  

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23 minutes ago, pa in taiwan said:

I'm copying this post I made on the other thread because I'm shocked at the lack of understanding on display about the Fix / Takahashi match. You don't seem to understand what passivity is in freestyle wrestling. The ref put Fix on the shot clock because he was passive, backing away from Takahashi's offensive setups.

Folkstyle folks be like, "Only leg shots are offense." Watch that match again and realize what I'm sure the USA coaches have now realized, which is that wrestlers who want to pull out of a Russian tie or a two-on-one had better find a way to do so without backing or running away. Takahashi works his offense off of a few different two-on-one arm ties. 30 seconds into the match, Takahashi, standing on the center spot of the mat, reaches for the two-on-one twice. Fix backs and then runs away to the outer part of the circle and the official uses his blue hand to make the "move forward and engage" signal. Fix continues to try to escape Takahashi's throw-by set up, a two-on-one on Fix's left arm, and it's clear that ref is going to warn him (5:18). Fix's mistake is that he isn't clearing the two-on-one and transitioning into his own offense. He's moving back into outer space. Imagine a wrestler who works his offense off a collar tie, and every time he locks another wrestler up with a collar tie, that wrestler clears it and backs up instead of looking to attack. Imagine a guy who shoots from space, and instead of re-attacking and generating offense, the other guy keeps backing away. This is essentially what Fix is doing in this match; he's backing away from Takehashi's offensive setups. Watch the whistle start after the first passive warning. Fix starts in a very forward position, over the center of the mat, but as soon as Takahashi goes for the two-on-one, he circles into the orange outer band. The ref immediately puts his blue hand up and encourages him to engage. Do you not understand that this is passivity? Takahashi continues to go for the two-on-one tie on Fix's left arm, and Fix continues to back away, and it's no surprise that the ref puts him on the 30 second clock at 4:31. Watch the entire match with positioning in mind. Takahashi works the middle of the mat the whole time. After the first shot clock point, Fix ties up in a collar tie and makes some effective fakes, causing Takahashi to back away. The ref immediately lifts the red hand and warns Takehashi for passivity. The ref does a good job in this low scoring match of encouraging action. It's a disappointment that a wrestler with the dynamism of Daton Fix was unable to create more action. The takedown and ensuing flurries of action at the beginning of the second period were good signs, and Fix should have continued. When he creates action, he scores more that his opponent. Again, Takehashi continues moving forward, looking for the Russian tie on the left arm. Fix never turns it into HIS offense. At one point he uses his left arm to overhook, a great tactic, as Takehashi doesn't seem able to create action. The ref blows it dead quickly, as noone is attacking. 

Lessons were learned from this match. Daton will be better prepared for his next meeting with Takehashi.  

nice analogy.

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1 hour ago, Eagle26 said:

He effectively got an easier draw. Fix lost to a former world champ because the ref decided to put him on the shot clock twice despite him having the only takedown and being the aggressor much of the match. 

 

46 minutes ago, pa in taiwan said:

I'm copying this post I made on the other thread because I'm shocked at the lack of understanding on display about the Fix / Takahashi match. You don't seem to understand what passivity is in freestyle wrestling. The ref put Fix on the shot clock because he was passive, backing away from Takahashi's offensive setups.

Folkstyle folks be like, "Only leg shots are offense." Watch that match again and realize what I'm sure the USA coaches have now realized, which is that wrestlers who want to pull out of a Russian tie or a two-on-one had better find a way to do so without backing or running away. Takahashi works his offense off of a few different two-on-one arm ties. 30 seconds into the match, Takahashi, standing on the center spot of the mat, reaches for the two-on-one twice. Fix backs and then runs away to the outer part of the circle and the official uses his blue hand to make the "move forward and engage" signal. Fix continues to try to escape Takahashi's throw-by set up, a two-on-one on Fix's left arm, and it's clear that ref is going to warn him (5:18). Fix's mistake is that he isn't clearing the two-on-one and transitioning into his own offense. He's moving back into outer space. Imagine a wrestler who works his offense off a collar tie, and every time he locks another wrestler up with a collar tie, that wrestler clears it and backs up instead of looking to attack. Imagine a guy who shoots from space, and instead of re-attacking and generating offense, the other guy keeps backing away. This is essentially what Fix is doing in this match; he's backing away from Takehashi's offensive setups. Watch the whistle start after the first passive warning. Fix starts in a very forward position, over the center of the mat, but as soon as Takahashi goes for the two-on-one, he circles into the orange outer band. The ref immediately puts his blue hand up and encourages him to engage. Do you not understand that this is passivity? Takahashi continues to go for the two-on-one tie on Fix's left arm, and Fix continues to back away, and it's no surprise that the ref puts him on the 30 second clock at 4:31. Watch the entire match with positioning in mind. Takahashi works the middle of the mat the whole time. After the first shot clock point, Fix ties up in a collar tie and makes some effective fakes, causing Takahashi to back away. The ref immediately lifts the red hand and warns Takehashi for passivity. The ref does a good job in this low scoring match of encouraging action. It's a disappointment that a wrestler with the dynamism of Daton Fix was unable to create more action. The takedown and ensuing flurries of action at the beginning of the second period were good signs, and Fix should have continued. When he creates action, he scores more that his opponent. Again, Takehashi continues moving forward, looking for the Russian tie on the left arm. Fix never turns it into HIS offense. At one point he uses his left arm to overhook, a great tactic, as Takehashi doesn't seem able to create action. The ref blows it dead quickly, as noone is attacking. 

Lessons were learned from this match. Daton will be better prepared for his next meeting with Takehashi.  

this guy understands international wrestling...

some of you not so much...

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1 hour ago, Katie said:

So Micic, I assume, qualified 57kg for Serbia for the Olympics. Is that right?

If so, does that mean he's taking an Olympic redshirt this coming year? Has he announced whether he will yet?

Based on Michigan's website, Micic took an Oly redshirt in the 2015-2016 season. Are you allowed to take an Oly redshirt a second time? 

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