Lefty142 16 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 Would love to hear what the board thinks of this. Let 2 guys go per weight, per school to postseason. All we've seen since 1972 is programs dying and numbers dropping. This would change a LOT and I think most of it would be for the better. Increase the number of qualifiers to 64 (so non wrestling people get it, like basketball), and allow one point scorer. Redraw rounds that have teammates facing each other. Lets grow, not shrink. Insane? Plausible? 1 jon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexRef 72 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) I would like to see the other divisions (JUCO, NAIA, D3, & D2) Champions or maybe even top 3 per weight added to the D1 brackets. I am not sure if it will grow wrestling, but it would be good watching. Edited September 24, 2019 by TexRef 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,664 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 Eliminate weightclasses. Try to put ball through opponents basket. Have cheerleaders. Put in the ESPN. 4 1 1 madcat11, Yellow_Medal, jon and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 812 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 15 hours ago, Lefty142 said: All we've seen since 1972 is programs dying and numbers dropping. This is false. There are well over 200 more wrestling programs now than 20 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDogg 273 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 Step one: get rid of the singlet 2 2 treep2000, TexRef, Mphillips and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,506 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 16 hours ago, Lefty142 said: Would love to hear what the board thinks of this. Let 2 guys go per weight, per school to postseason. All we've seen since 1972 is programs dying and numbers dropping. This would change a LOT and I think most of it would be for the better. Increase the number of qualifiers to 64 (so non wrestling people get it, like basketball), and allow one point scorer. Redraw rounds that have teammates facing each other. Lets grow, not shrink. Insane? Plausible? In my opinion this would be counter productive, as the “haves” would increase the gap over the “have nots” by virtue of they would get even more of the top recruits, knowing they don’t have to be the starter to wrestle in the post season. 3 jon, ThatLogSchuteWasCarrying and Idaho reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScarletKnight 70 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 9:30 PM, IronChef said: This is false. There are well over 200 more wrestling programs now than 20 years ago. 76 D1 schools, 62 D2 schools and 97 D3 now. That's 235 total. And if D1 goes down and D3 goes up, that's a loss in scholarship opportunities. What are you so please about, more community / 2-year schools with wrestling? Are you counting the rise in women's programs as part of the good news? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/23/2019 at 6:51 PM, Lefty142 said: Would love to hear what the board thinks of this. Let 2 guys go per weight, per school to postseason. All we've seen since 1972 is programs dying and numbers dropping. This would change a LOT and I think most of it would be for the better. Increase the number of qualifiers to 64 (so non wrestling people get it, like basketball), and allow one point scorer. Redraw rounds that have teammates facing each other. Lets grow, not shrink. Insane? Plausible? I don't see the hook for non wrestling people. Football is popular because it is easy to understand, violent, a great excuse to drink, and has been marketed to the point where people think being a fan is a virtue. Wrestling needs some sort of hook to make it more pedestrian. Unfortunately discipline isn't selling, we need another hook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 703 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 I don't see the hook for non wrestling people. Football is popular because it is easy to understand, violent, a great excuse to drink, and has been marketed to the point where people think being a fan is a virtue. Wrestling needs some sort of hook to make it more pedestrian. Unfortunately discipline isn't selling, we need another hook. Dual meets between rival schools will bring in the casual fan/ alumni. At least they could follow their team. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 2 hammerlockthree and Eagle26 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, cjc007 said: Dual meets between rival schools will bring in the casual fan/ alumni. At least they could follow their team. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk yeah sorry i forgot the obvious....cael threw the brick on it. Edited September 26, 2019 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,664 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 11:17 AM, MDogg said: Step one: get rid of the singlet Agreed. It would look ridiculous for wrestlers to be running up and down the court dribbling a ball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Novak 147 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 MMA teams - men & women. Used cage market is extensive so start up costs would be negligible. Auditions for rings girls + announcers would be made public. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,713 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, hammerlockthree said: Football is popular because it is easy to understand, violent, a great excuse to drink, and has been marketed to the point where people think being a fan is a virtue. Wrestling needs some sort of hook to make it more pedestrian. Unfortunately discipline isn't selling, we need another hook. I don't think football is easy to understand, we just grew up with it and it all seems natural/obvious now. Had a friend from New Zealand live here for awhile and she gave up after a couple games because of how confusing all the rules were. Also a big reason why it's struggling to get traction outside of the US, if you didn't grow up here a lot of it is weird and nonsensical. Totally agree with the rest of your points though... Edited September 26, 2019 by Gantry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, Gantry said: I don't think football is easy to understand, we just grew up with it and it all seems natural/obvious now. Had a friend from New Zealand live here for awhile and she gave up after a couple games because of how confusing all the rules were. Also a big reason why it's struggling to get traction outside of the US, if you didn't grow up here a lot of it is weird and nonsensical. Totally agree with the rest of your points though... Its rules are definitely arbitrary, so it is difficult from that perspective, but the core concept, get the ball over there and stop when someone tackles the ball, is really accessible. Its not practical or attractive in other countries because its completely impractical, insanely dangerous and expensive. I don't know how it got a cultural foothold in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheerstress 117 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 7:17 AM, TexRef said: I would like to see the other divisions (JUCO, NAIA, D3, & D2) Champions or maybe even top 3 per weight added to the D1 brackets. I am not sure if it will grow wrestling, but it would be good watching. That was how it was until the early 1990s with Div 2 and Div 3 champs advancing to Div 1. Personally, I liked it, but Div 1 coaches put an end to it because of how it affected team races. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,643 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sheerstress said: That was how it was until the early 1990s with Div 2 and Div 3 champs advancing to Div 1. Personally, I liked it, but Div 1 coaches put an end to it because of how it affected team races. It wasn't the coaches, it was the NCAA bean counters. No other sport allowed teams or competitors two bites at the apple. 1 TexRef reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 973 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 9:17 AM, MDogg said: Step one: get rid of the singlet Watch what the No Gi BJJ guys wear. That's the right outfit for wrestling moving forward. 1 MDogg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDogg 273 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 14 hours ago, treep2000 said: Watch what the No Gi BJJ guys wear. That's the right outfit for wrestling moving forward. Totally agreed. It would also get apparel companies like Nike and Under Armor more interested in investing in and promoting the sport because there’s actually something other than shoes they can sell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 672 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/23/2019 at 6:51 PM, Lefty142 said: Would love to hear what the board thinks of this. Let 2 guys go per weight, per school to postseason. All we've seen since 1972 is programs dying and numbers dropping. This would change a LOT and I think most of it would be for the better. Increase the number of qualifiers to 64 (so non wrestling people get it, like basketball), and allow one point scorer. Redraw rounds that have teammates facing each other. Lets grow, not shrink. Insane? Plausible? Twice as many parents and girlfriends in the stands! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexRef 72 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/26/2019 at 12:31 PM, Sheerstress said: That was how it was until the early 1990s with Div 2 and Div 3 champs advancing to Div 1. Personally, I liked it, but Div 1 coaches put an end to it because of how it affected team races. Yeah and I bet there was a high D1 seed that got bumped to the backside of the bracket too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,643 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/26/2019 at 1:47 PM, gimpeltf said: It wasn't the coaches, it was the NCAA bean counters. No other sport allowed teams or competitors two bites at the apple. TexRef- what do you think is so funny about this? Might the coaches have indirectly started the re-evaluation? Sure. But I worked the event at that time. I talked with the NCAA rep about the ruling. What I posted is what I was told by him. He gave me a bunch of stats about it. Never mentioned any feedback from coaches affecting things. And overall, the coaches wanted the kids in. Don't forget that at about the same time the NCAA downsized 2 and 3. Why would the D1 coaches want that also? They have kept the size of D1 where it was even with the number of teams dropping like they have because of the financial success of the event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 Just water it and fertilize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Morgan 38 Report post Posted October 1, 2019 On 9/26/2019 at 10:48 AM, Gantry said: I don't think football is easy to understand, we just grew up with it and it all seems natural/obvious now. Had a friend from New Zealand live here for awhile and she gave up after a couple games because of how confusing all the rules were. Also a big reason why it's struggling to get traction outside of the US, if you didn't grow up here a lot of it is weird and nonsensical. Totally agree with the rest of your points though... I don't think folkstyle wrestling is easy to understand, we just grew up with it and it all seems natural/obvious now. Had a friend from Russia live here for awhile and he gave up after a couple meets because of how confusing all the rules were. Also a big reason why it's struggling to get traction outside of the US, if you didn't grow up here a lot of it is weird and nonsensical. Totally agree with the rest of your points though... My point is...people who grow up in wrestling love wrestling (for the most part). Grow the sport at the grassroots and you sustain the craft. Hard to get people who love tennis to start watching wrestling if they didn't grow up doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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TLS62pa 49 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 9:16 PM, ScarletKnight said: 76 D1 schools, 62 D2 schools and 97 D3 now. That's 235 total. And if D1 goes down and D3 goes up, that's a loss in scholarship opportunities. What are you so please about, more community / 2-year schools with wrestling? Are you counting the rise in women's programs as part of the good news? Just in the past two years in Division 1 we've added: Fresno State Arkansas Little Rock LIU-Post Presbyterian Cal Baptist, Augustana, and Bellarmine are transitioning to Division 1. Recently we've lost Boise, Eastern Michigan, and Grand Canyon (that one before making the full transition) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites