TBar1977 4,028 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 Updated yesterday. Hit it. https://www.flowrestling.org/rankings/6567575-ncaa-rankings-2019-20/32634-team-rankings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coachwilks 7 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 So now we have to pay for rankings too? 3 fiveontwo, Ultimatepip and unknown reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) """Unprecedented access""" lol. Remember when... when rankings were free to read? Do you think this 'paywallcreep' a good thing? Edited September 24, 2019 by jon 3 BallandChain, scribe and Ultimatepip reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,343 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 ASU sitting in a good spot. Anthony will AA in a weakened 174 too, plus maybe 1 guy 125-141. I think a podium spot is certainly in reach PSU’s point total is a bit inflated in my opinion. I do not think Konel will finish #2. Iowa is going to be salty. Noticed ISU is looking solid too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
go_rines12 21 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 Can someone copy and paste the flo rankings here? I'm not paying for rankings. 1 scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 Lol. Backlash brewing here. Seems to me Flo's gone to the well once too much! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 530 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, go_rines12 said: Can someone copy and paste the flo rankings here? I'm not paying for rankings. "I'm too cheap to pay for copyrighted material, so could someone who isn't that cheap violate copyright protections and give me the material for free?" 1 chestcrusher reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, klehner said: "I'm too cheap to pay for copyrighted material, so could someone who isn't that cheap violate copyright protections and give me the material for free?" Uhhhh that's one possible explanation. Also plausible: "I'm curious about Flo's opinion but I don't like yearlong lock-in." "I prefer to spend my money on stuff that works to Grow The Sport." "I take interest in wrestling and I'd be willing to pay a reasonable price month-to-month but yearlong lock-in a big turn-off for me." You realize--right??--that Flo screenshots social-media posts from wrestlers galore? Illegal? I assume not. Sketchy and unethical? Yes! You ever post a link to a YouTube video here, Klehner? You ever *view* a video on YouTube, Klehner? """Copyright!!!!!""" Plus: It may well be the case that some Cornell folks take advantage of Flo's 'free access for athletes' stealth offering. """Cheap!!!!""" Edited September 24, 2019 by jon 1 1 unknown and BallandChain reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 530 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, jon said: Uhhhh that's one possible explanation. Also plausible: "I'm curious about Flo's opinion but I don't like yearlong lock-in" "I'm curious about Flo's opinion but I'm too cheap to pay for that copyrighted material according to Flo's business model, so could someone violate copyright protections and give me the material for free?" Is that better? Do you do the same for, say, articles on the Wall Street Journal (behind a paywall), or the NYTimes (mostly behind a paywall)? Why would Flo be different? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Thanks, Klehner. Your appeal to copyright not only gives me a laugh but it brings an interesting twist to this discussion as well. And no -- your updated jump-to-conclusion """explanation""" still one-sided and shortsighted. Edited September 24, 2019 by jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,839 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jon said: Uhhhh that's one possible explanation. Also plausible: "I'm curious about Flo's opinion but I don't like yearlong lock-in." "I prefer to spend my money on stuff that works to Grow The Sport." You realize--right??--that Flo screenshots social-media posts from wrestlers galore? Illegal? I assume not. Sketchy and unethical? Yes! nevermind Edited September 24, 2019 by Lurker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) . Edited September 24, 2019 by jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 530 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, jon said: Uhhhh that's one possible explanation. Also plausible: "I'm curious about Flo's opinion but I don't like yearlong lock-in." "I prefer to spend my money on stuff that works to Grow The Sport." "I take interest in wrestling and I'd be willing to pay a reasonable price month-to-month but yearlong lock-in a big turn-off for me." You realize--right??--that Flo screenshots social-media posts from wrestlers galore? Illegal? I assume not. Sketchy and unethical? Yes! You ever post a link to a YouTube video here, Klehner? You ever *view* a video on YouTube, Klehner? """Copyright!!!!!""" Plus: It may well be the case that some Cornell folks take advantage of Flo's 'free access for athletes' stealth offering. """Cheap!!!!""" Not that you care, but (emphasis added)... "By accessing the FloSports website, you certify that you’re using premium content solely for personal, noncommercial purposes; you will not copy or distribute any part of the website without FloSports Inc Limited’s prior written authorization; you will fully comply with the terms and conditions of these terms of service as well as our acceptable use policy; and you will not share your account username and password with other persons." I'm also guessing that Flo adheres to "fair use" of copyrighted material (such as photos of wrestlers), so that's irrelevant. Are you suggesting that posting links to YouTube videos, via the "share" capability provided by YouTube themselves, somehow violates copyright? Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 Will someone please start a Cornell thread?? Lol. 1 scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 530 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, jon said: Will someone please start a Cornell thread?? Lol. "Lol"? Are you twelve years old? And "Cornell": is that the best argument you can come up with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Not looking to bicker with you, Klehner. In this thread I won't be responding to you no more. Edited September 24, 2019 by jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
go_rines12 21 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, klehner said: "I'm too cheap to pay for copyrighted material, so could someone who isn't that cheap violate copyright protections and give me the material for free?" Just a young adult in my studies that would rather buy food than wrestling content.... 1 Underhook reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,028 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, jon said: You ever post a link to a YouTube video here, Klehner? You ever *view* a video on YouTube, Klehner? """Copyright!!!!!""" Seriously? I don't need to defend klehner here, jon, but you obviously don't understand copyright law. Anyone here can post a link to you tube or any other website without infringing on anyone's copyrights. 1 chestcrusher reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 Someone here--any person here??--buy a year's food all at once? "FloShopping" 1 coachwilks reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, TBar1977 said: Seriously? I don't need to defend klehner here, jon, but you obviously don't understand copyright law. Anyone here can post a link to you tube or any other website without infringing on anyone's copyrights. Of course I don't understand copyright law! The point I hinted, albeit very poor hinting!, is that YouTube (a site I assume Klehner visits) is full of uploads that violate copyright. Surely at some point Klehner has been on the wrong side of copyright -- and so it's silly, in my opinion, for Klehner to speak so sanctimoniously in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,028 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, jon said: Of course I don't understand copyright law! The point I hinted, albeit very poor hinting!, is that YouTube (a site I assume Klehner visits) is full of uploads that violate copyright. Surely at some point Klehner has been on the wrong side of copyright -- and so it's silly, in my opinion, for Klehner to speak so sanctimoniously in this thread. So because someone on you tube may be in violation of copyright law, you think it is perfectly acceptable to ask someone else to violate Flo's copyright protection for your entertainment purposes. Got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 420 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 I just wanna sit in my house and read today's funny pages and these bastards are making me buy a whole dang newspaper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) go_rines12 didn't ask someone else--someone else in particular--to violate Flo's copyright protection. go_rines12 asked 'Can someone copy and paste the flo rankings here?' It's a harmless question; it's a yes-or-no question. Evidently the answer to the question is 'no'. Case closed? And based on my learning from a cursory Google search the problematic part of the original question is the phrase 'copy and paste' -- i.e., full text copyrightable but ideas not. Moving forward: Do you think this 'paywallcreep' a good thing? Edited September 24, 2019 by jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jon 158 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ugarte said: I just wanna sit in my house and read today's funny pages and these bastards are making me buy a whole dang newspaper. Not quite! Go apples for apples, man. "I just wanna sit in my house and read today's funny pages and these bastards are making me buy a yearlong subscription." Do you think this 'paywallcreep' a good thing? Edited September 24, 2019 by jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,028 Report post Posted September 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, ugarte said: I just wanna sit in my house and read today's funny pages and these bastards are making me buy a whole dang newspaper. I just want a slice of bread and they made me buy an entire loaf! 2 ugarte and panewbie1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
