Push outs in College?

[Ultimatepip 31]

Curious what everyone thinks? I'm talking a point for pushouts on the feet, while wrestling on the mat the regular rules would apply. Do you think it would encourage more action?  What if we took it a step further and gave 2 back points for freestyle exposure, like gut wrenches and leg laces? It sure would help when transitioning to freestyle.

Just a thought....

[scribe 1,655]

I like it. Less riding. More guts 

[denger 209]

I dunno.

Iowa could finally win a title again, and I don't think I could stand reading all the PSU complaints about it. 

[Ultimatepip 31]

38 minutes ago, denger said:

I dunno.

Iowa could finally win a title again, and I don't think I could stand reading all the PSU complaints about it. 

Iowa definitely has the style that would favor pushouts.

[TBar1977 3,454]

Push outs favor the more athletic wrestlers. Iowa might make it work at Heavyweight, but the other 9 weight classes getting a Push out when it's worth 0 points and getting that Push out for 1 point are two different things. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by TBar1977

[ugarte 192]

i love the pushout rule but i don't think the freestyle exposure rules would work well with the folkstyle top-centric control scoring with riding time.

[gowrestle 600]

May be a call subject to a higher frequency of controversy. 

[unbiased 437]

They already have this in the rule book. You get warned for stalling for doing it. Let's keep it that way.

[red blades 143]

I also like the current rule that allows wrestling to continue so long as at least part of one wrestler is in the cylinder; a lot of good action occurs in this situation, and we see takedowns instead of pushouts.

Edited September 30, 2019 by red blades

[jchapman 791]

12 hours ago, TBar1977 said:

Push outs favor the more athletic wrestlers. Iowa might make it work at Heavyweight, but the other 9 weight classes getting a Push out when it's worth 0 points and getting that Push out for 1 point are two different things. 

Wow, you are saying Iowa has the most athletic heavyweight.  I wonder what Cassar has to say about this?

[TBar1977 3,454]

7 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Wow, you are saying Iowa has the most athletic heavyweight.  I wonder what Cassar has to say about this?

I am saying a guy like Sam Stoll who is at the very upper end of the weight range can push out a much smaller Hwt. even if that smaller Hwt. is more athletic. That doesn't work so well when the two wrestlers are the same size and the other guy is more athletic. 

[steamboat_charlie v2 806]

 I think we're in a pretty good place now.  We just need a little more consistency from officials, which I think we'll get.  

 

If we're going to start incorporating things like 2 pt exposure, we might as well just switch to freestyle instead of half-assing it.    That's a fundamental change that removes large portions of folkstyle technique from the sport almost entirely.  

[BobbyGribbs 75]

I am way onboard for a push out being a pt. Keeps the action in the middle

[Jimmy Cinnabon 171]

22 hours ago, Ultimatepip said:

Curious what everyone thinks? I'm talking a point for pushouts on the feet, while wrestling on the mat the regular rules would apply. Do you think it would encourage more action?  What if we took it a step further and gave 2 back points for freestyle exposure, like gut wrenches and leg laces? It sure would help when transitioning to freestyle.

Just a thought....

Why not just completely transition to freestyle then?

[Ultimatepip 31]

55 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Why not just completely transition to freestyle then?

Cause the scoring is too subjective in freestyle. Ok forget the guts and the laces, but I still think push outs would be nice. I know we have the new stalling rule now, but I think we should take it a step further.

[Ultimatepip 31]

2 hours ago, BobbyGribbs said:

I am way onboard for a push out being a pt. Keeps the action in the middle

Agreed

[JeanGuy 87]

The biggest problem with push outs in folk is how they are called.

If the officials called it correctly and consistency it would work, but...

In every sport I am all about making rules that improve the quality of officiating. Usually it involves simplifying the rules. It is hard enough to get stuff right when there is a lot of action but if you add subjective decisions by officials it makes fans crazy. I do not like the push out point as offense but it would simplify officiating.

[Housebuye 1,910]

They aren’t ever going to add exposure points. It doesn’t make sense in the folkstyle context. A pushout does. It demonstrates mat control, will reduce the subjectivity of the current rule, and will reduce stalling. I’m all for it. 

[Jimmy Cinnabon 171]

They should start college sumo.  Being serious - it's really entertaining and not subject to referee interference/corruption.  Make it in football offseason so some linemen can participate.

[Jaroslav Hasek 1,762]

I would watch college sumo matches. sumo rocks. adding a step out (which they should do) wouldn't make NCAA wrestling look any closer to sumo but it would be cool if there were also organized sumo competitions at the college level.

[Sublime607 89]

I like a push out rule it would reward the wrestler trying to get a TD on the edge when the other is is diving out trying to avoid giving it up.

[Plasmodium 1,225]

8 hours ago, Ultimatepip said:

Cause the scoring is too subjective in freestyle. Ok forget the guts and the laces, but I still think push outs would be nice. I know we have the new stalling rule now, but I think we should take it a step further.

Are you referring to the shot clock? It seems passivity/stalling is subjective in nature.  Folkstyle is frustrating in this regard because the refs make the OOB calls based on the score and flow of the match.  

[D3UC157 67]

= Austin DeSanto nat’l champ

[lu_alum 615]

The only FS rule that I want the NCAA to adopt is the challenge rule:  lose a challenge, lose a match point.

[HoundedHawk 54]

It's a no brainer.  

It's factual that it doesn't ruin the action in freestyle.  That experiment validates it works great.

Plus, it would prepare our best for the international realm.