jerseywrestling 103 Report post Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) There have been 152 wrestlers who have medaled for the USA in men's freestyle. Here are the top ten by world and olympic medals! #1 Bruce Baumgartner 168 3,1,3,1,3,2,2,2,1,1,2,1,3 #2 Jordan Burroughs 110 1,1,1,3,1,1,3,3 #3 John Smith 96 1,1,1,1,1,1 #4 Dave Schultz 88 3,1,1,2,3,2,2 #5 Kyle Snyder 70 1,1,1,2,3 #6 Leroy Kemp 58 1,1,3,1 #7 Kenny Monday 56 1,1,2,2 #7 Larry Kristoff 56 3,2,3,2,2 #9 J'den Cox 52 3,3,1,1 #10 Bill Scherr 50 1,2,3,2 #10 John Peterson 50 2,1,3,2 Check out the full list at Jersey Wrestling! http://www.jerseywrestling.com/world_team_profile.php?team=USA Edited October 5, 2019 by jerseywrestling 1 gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scramble 153 Report post Posted October 5, 2019 John Smith has 6 golds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headache 125 Report post Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, scramble said: John Smith has 6 golds NJ cheating for hometown boys. Caught red handed. 2 Alwayswrestling and wrestlingnerd reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerseywrestling 103 Report post Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) Thanks, guys! Edited October 5, 2019 by jerseywrestling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,269 Report post Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) How’s does Top 10 played out if averaged out by number of attempts? Obviously you have to cut it off at those who had multiple World/Olympic attempts (maybe 3 or more appearances). If not the guys with 1 gold in 1 World/Olympics ends up trumping everyone. I’d rather see it averaged based on attempts rather than just placements to also count for the times these guys didn’t place. More math than I plan on doing on the weekend but I’m sure someone already has the stats handy which are needed for it. Edited October 5, 2019 by MadMardigain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 653 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 4:43 AM, jerseywrestling said: There have been 152 wrestlers who have medaled for the USA in men's freestyle. Here are the top ten by world and olympic medals! #1 Bruce Baumgartner 168 3,1,3,1,3,2,2,2,1,1,2,1,3 #2 Jordan Burroughs 110 1,1,1,3,1,1,3,3 #3 John Smith 96 1,1,1,1,1,1 #4 Dave Schultz 88 3,1,1,2,3,2,2 #5 Kyle Snyder 70 1,1,1,2,3 #6 Leroy Kemp 58 1,1,3,1 #7 Kenny Monday 56 1,1,2,2 #7 Larry Kristoff 56 3,2,3,2,2 #9 J'den Cox 52 3,3,1,1 #10 Bill Scherr 50 1,2,3,2 #10 John Peterson 50 2,1,3,2 Check out the full list at Jersey Wrestling! http://www.jerseywrestling.com/world_team_profile.php?team=USA Based on this, I would rank John Smith as the greatest US wrestler of all time, at least as of now 1 wrestlingnerd reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 819 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Rick/Richard Sanders should be higher on this list Edited October 7, 2019 by KTG119 2 jerseywrestling and ConnorsDad reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,655 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 Big Bruce by a mile. He doesn’t get enough respect here. 4 1 airmail, CaliWrestler, herma48852 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,128 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 4 hours ago, scribe said: Big Bruce by a mile. He doesn’t get enough respect here. I hear this, but out of 13 attempts (maybe more?) he won 5 golds. Amazing for sure, but John Smith was 100% for golds (6/6) and JB is at 56% (6/9). It just depends on your criteria. Bruce definitely gets it for longevity. For consistency it is either him or Smith. The best guy at any given point? Maybe JB (but that allows for a bunch of other guys like Cael, Monday, Kemp, etc). Basically it boils down to how you define best. I like using "best credentials" as that is as normalized as you can get in my opinion when comparing eras. With that criteria, I have it: 1. Smith 2. Bruce 3. Burroughs, but a gold in 2020 at a minimum bumps Burroughs to 2nd. 4. Snyder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 653 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Housebuye said: I hear this, but out of 13 attempts (maybe more?) he won 5 golds. Amazing for sure, but John Smith was 100% for golds (6/6) and JB is at 56% (6/9). It just depends on your criteria. Bruce definitely gets it for longevity. For consistency it is either him or Smith. The best guy at any given point? Maybe JB (but that allows for a bunch of other guys like Cael, Monday, Kemp, etc). Basically it boils down to how you define best. I like using "best credentials" as that is as normalized as you can get in my opinion when comparing eras. With that criteria, I have it: 1. Smith 2. Bruce 3. Burroughs, but a gold in 2020 at a minimum bumps Burroughs to 2nd. 4. Snyder For best at one time, Dan Gable should be in the conversation too 2 herma48852 and Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 1,595 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 Carl never lost in college. How can he be 34th? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airmail 64 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 2:23 PM, MadMardigain said: How’s does Top 10 played out if averaged out by number of attempts? Obviously you have to cut it off at those who had multiple World/Olympic attempts (maybe 3 or more appearances). If not the guys with 1 gold in 1 World/Olympics ends up trumping everyone. I’d rather see it averaged based on attempts rather than just placements to also count for the times these guys didn’t place. More math than I plan on doing on the weekend but I’m sure someone already has the stats handy which are needed for it. I see what you mean, looking at Russia's list: Rank Name Score Finishes #1 Buvaisar Saitiev 144 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 Totally impressive, but the 8th and 9th place finishes thrown in there would be nice to see for reference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerMon 178 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 You got some guys twice near the bottom of the list Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishbane 118 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 9:57 AM, Housebuye said: I hear this, but out of 13 attempts (maybe more?) he won 5 golds. Amazing for sure, but John Smith was 100% for golds (6/6) and JB is at 56% (6/9). Isn't JB 5 golds out of 9 attempts with 3 golds and a DNP? That's 0.556 and getting closer to Bruce every year recently. Bruce wrestled at the world championships/Olympics 15 times winning 5 golds, 4 silvers, and 4 bronze, with 2 DNPs (1982 and 1991). That's 0.333, but I wouldn't knock his percentage when comparing to someone who has the same or fewer titles as making the team 15 straight years is a crazy accomplishment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle26 437 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 What’s the scoring criteria? At a quick glance, it looks like it should emphasize gold a little more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishbane 118 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 7:43 AM, jerseywrestling said: There have been 152 wrestlers who have medaled for the USA in men's freestyle. Here are the top ten by world and olympic medals! #1 Bruce Baumgartner 168 3,1,3,1,3,2,2,2,1,1,2,1,3 #2 Jordan Burroughs 110 1,1,1,3,1,1,3,3 #3 John Smith 96 1,1,1,1,1,1 #4 Dave Schultz 88 3,1,1,2,3,2,2 #5 Kyle Snyder 70 1,1,1,2,3 #6 Leroy Kemp 58 1,1,3,1 #7 Kenny Monday 56 1,1,2,2 #7 Larry Kristoff 56 3,2,3,2,2 #9 J'den Cox 52 3,3,1,1 #10 Bill Scherr 50 1,2,3,2 #10 John Peterson 50 2,1,3,2 Check out the full list at Jersey Wrestling! http://www.jerseywrestling.com/world_team_profile.php?team=USA You are missing #3 Adeline Gray 100 3,1,3,1,1,1,1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishbane 118 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Eagle26 said: What’s the scoring criteria? At a quick glance, it looks like it should emphasize gold a little more Looks like 16, 12, 10 which is collegiate tournament team scoring with 8 place winners. 1 Eagle26 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle26 437 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fishbane said: Looks like 16, 12, 10 which is collegiate tournament team scoring with 8 place winners. Thanks. That’s fair. I just think it seems like we have some 3x champs that are lower than they should be. Probably no best way to do it mathematically though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 653 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 2:16 AM, scribe said: Big Bruce by a mile. He doesn’t get enough respect here. I have all the respect in the world for Big Bruce. He participated in 4 Olympics, and had two golds, one silver and one bronze He also has 9 world medals, including 3 golds. These are amazing accomplishments. However, I just rank John Smith, with 6 total golds, including two Olympic golds higher. This does not mean I don't respect Bruce, I have the utmost respect for him. 2 Alwayswrestling and Gantry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 332 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 7:43 AM, jerseywrestling said: There have been 152 wrestlers who have medaled for the USA in men's freestyle. Here are the top ten by world and olympic medals! #1 Bruce Baumgartner 168 3,1,3,1,3,2,2,2,1,1,2,1,3 #2 Jordan Burroughs 110 1,1,1,3,1,1,3,3 #3 John Smith 96 1,1,1,1,1,1 #4 Dave Schultz 88 3,1,1,2,3,2,2 #5 Kyle Snyder 70 1,1,1,2,3 #6 Leroy Kemp 58 1,1,3,1 #7 Kenny Monday 56 1,1,2,2 #7 Larry Kristoff 56 3,2,3,2,2 #9 J'den Cox 52 3,3,1,1 #10 Bill Scherr 50 1,2,3,2 #10 John Peterson 50 2,1,3,2 Check out the full list at Jersey Wrestling! http://www.jerseywrestling.com/world_team_profile.php?team=USA Great list Jersey Wrestling. You did short one of your Jersey guys though. The Great Chris Campbell should be 1,2, & 3. You did not include the Olympic Bronze he won in 1992 at 36 years old. That would put him at 38 pts tied for 17 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMickey92 13 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 4:43 AM, jerseywrestling said: There have been 152 wrestlers who have medaled for the USA in men’s freestyle. Here are the top ten by world and olympic medals! #1 Bruce Baumgartner 168 3,1,3,1,3,2,2,2,1,1,2,1,3 #2 Jordan Burroughs 110 1,1,1,3,1,1,3,3 #3 John Smith 96 1,1,1,1,1,1 #4 Dave Schultz 88 3,1,1,2,3,2,2 #5 Kyle Snyder 70 1,1,1,2,3 #6 Leroy Kemp 58 1,1,3,1 #7 Kenny Monday 56 1,1,2,2 #7 Larry Kristoff 56 3,2,3,2,2 #9 J'den Cox 52 3,3,1,1 #10 Bill Scherr 50 1,2,3,2 #10 John Peterson 50 2,1,3,2 Check out the full list at Jersey Wrestling! http://www.jerseywrestling.com/world_team_profile.php?team=USA 6 hours ago, Fishbane said: You are missing #3 Adeline Gray 100 3,1,3,1,1,1,1 No he isn’t. He said men’s freestyle. You are right if it was both genders/all styles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishbane 118 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, CMickey92 said: No he isn’t. He said men’s freestyle. You are right if it was both genders/all styles. Post says that but the website he links to does not. It says "Top Wrestlers by World and Olympic Medals" and "World and Olympic Medals by Year" with out any mention of style or sex. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,092 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 Seems a shame that Stieber’s gold and Cejudo’s gold are valued equally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 651 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 Seems a shame that Stieber’s gold and Cejudo’s gold are valued equally.And Tervel's 3 bronzes are more valued than an Olympic Gold and a World Silver for Sanderson. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 1 jchapman reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 819 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, lu1979 said: Great list Jersey Wrestling. You did short one of your Jersey guys though. The Great Chris Campbell should be 1,2, & 3. You did not include the Olympic Bronze he won in 1992 at 36 years old. That would put him at 38 pts tied for 17 Chris / Christopher like Rick / Richard Sanders is one who is listed twice on the list dividing the accomplishments. Yep, move ‘em up. 1 jerseywrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
