irani 695 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 Almost all great freestyle wrestlers in Iran are from Mazandaran. Most good Russian wrestlers are from Dagestan, Ossetia or perhaps Chechnya. Is there such an equivalency in the US? Perhaps Iowa, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania? This is not meant to start a big argument, I just want to get a sense for which regions you think have the reputations of consistently producing world class wrestlers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mspart 201 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 Colleges in those states do produce, but they draw from many other states. I think you can legitimately also say Nebraska and Ohio. But our 2019 team are from the following states: 57 - Daton Fix - Oklahoma 61 - Tyler Graff - Colorado 65 - Zain Retherford - Pennsylvania 71 - James Green - New Jersey 74 - Jordan Burroughs - New Jersey 79 - Kyle Dake - New York 86 - Pat Downey - Maryland 92 - J'Den Cox - Missouri 97 - Kyle Snyder - Maryland 125 - Nick Gwiazdowski - New York mspart 1 1 irani and Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 547 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 Where's Long Island Marty when you need him?! :D Seriously though, this is one of Spey's specialties with his heat maps. He's great with this stuff. 1 Jaroslav Hasek reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,902 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 Wrestling talent is generally a little more spread out in the US than in Russia and Iran. Quantity and quality can be found from coast to coast. There are hotbeds though. It's generally most concentrated in the suburbs and rural areas from New York City to Chicago. But of course, Iowa, Minnesota, California and Oklahoma, Michigan and other states can lay claim to have hot beds of their own. The maps in these articles can give you a clearer picture if you're into the whole visual thing. NCAA Heat Maps By County From 2014-2018 2018 NCAA Heat Maps 2019 NCAA Heat Maps 2 2td3nf and irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,664 Report post Posted October 7, 2019 The eastern rust belt of the US is probably the most productive historically. 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mspart 201 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 Two dudes from CA were pretty good. Unfortunately, not too many of the greats from WA. Whereas OR has some. mspart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 933 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 19 hours ago, mspart said: Colleges in those states do produce, but they draw from many other states. I think you can legitimately also say Nebraska and Ohio. But our 2019 team are from the following states: 57 - Daton Fix - Oklahoma 61 - Tyler Graff - Colorado 65 - Zain Retherford - Pennsylvania 71 - James Green - New Jersey 74 - Jordan Burroughs - New Jersey 79 - Kyle Dake - New York 86 - Pat Downey - Maryland 92 - J'Den Cox - Missouri 97 - Kyle Snyder - Maryland 125 - Nick Gwiazdowski - New York mspart It is kinda crazy to have 2 Maryland guys since they’re probsboy a bottom 10 state or so overall. Of course some may not want to “count” Downey...Taylor is Ohio right? Which of course is a traditionally stronger wrestling state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 327 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, 1032004 said: It is kinda crazy to have 2 Maryland guys since they’re probsboy a bottom 10 state or so overall. Of course some may not want to “count” Downey...Taylor is Ohio right? Which of course is a traditionally stronger wrestling state. Maryland is DEFINITELY not a bottom 10 state. Probably more like average to slightly above average. 17th-25th would be my guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle26 480 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 For high school folkstyle, PA is definitely the best. Unfortunately we don’t emphasize international styles enough, so other states have caught up and passed us in freestyle/Greco. I don’t really think there is a region in the USA that is equivalent to Dagestan or Mazandaran. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 933 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, CoachWrestling said: Maryland is DEFINITELY not a bottom 10 state. Probably more like average to slightly above average. 17th-25th would be my guess. Yeah I guess you're right. I guess when you add up some of the weak southern states (Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Kentucky), New England (Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine), sparsely populated western states (Dakotas, Montana), that does probably add up to Maryland being around middle of the pack. Edited October 8, 2019 by 1032004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 973 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 It's been documented before that the eastern Ohio and Western PA area has produced an incredibly high number of high Calibre wrestlers. It's been dubbed in articles as the US version of the Caucasus region. 2 Erminio8 and scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 669 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 4 hours ago, 1032004 said: Yeah I guess you're right. I guess when you add up some of the weak southern states (Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Kentucky), New England (Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine), sparsely populated western states (Dakotas, Montana), that does probably add up to Maryland being around middle of the pack. South Dakota has produced some STUDS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,902 Report post Posted October 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, treep2000 said: It's been documented before that the eastern Ohio and Western PA area has produced an incredibly high number of high Calibre wrestlers. It's been dubbed in articles as the US version of the Caucasus region. definite hot beds for sure but eastern PA/NYC metro area produce more high caliber wrestlers than the Western PA/NE Ohio region. nowhere else in Russia comes close to producing as many high level wrestlers as the North Caucasus. our world team would have to be 9/10 Western PA/NE Ohio to be comparable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CA_Wrestler 264 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Jaroslav Hasek said: definite hot beds for sure but eastern PA/NYC metro area produce more high caliber wrestlers than the Western PA/NE Ohio region. nowhere else in Russia comes close to producing as many high level wrestlers as the North Caucasus. our world team would have to be 9/10 Western PA/NE Ohio to be comparable. lol So, why isn't our World Team 9/10 Western PA/NE Ohio if they're the highest caliber and would be comparable to the North Caucus? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 1,902 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, CA_Wrestler said: lol So, why isn't our World Team 9/10 Western PA/NE Ohio if they're the highest caliber and would be comparable to the North Caucus? are you asking me? I don't follow. American wrestling talent is more spread out than in Russia or Iran. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 1,683 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 Not much from Western PA, NE Ohio, NY Metro or Eastern PA here: Fix(OK), Graff(CO), ZT(PA),Green(NJ), JB(NJ),Dake(NY),Downey(MD),Cox(MO),Snyder(MD), Gwiz(NY) While Zain Train is arguably Eastern PA - its really Pennsyltucky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 933 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: Not much from Western PA, NE Ohio, NY Metro or Eastern PA here: Fix(OK), Graff(CO), ZT(PA),Green(NJ), JB(NJ),Dake(NY),Downey(MD),Cox(MO),Snyder(MD), Gwiz(NY) While Zain Train is arguably Eastern PA - its really Pennsyltucky. I guess in theory you could call OH/PA/NJ/NY/MD a "region" as they are all technically connected and are just 5 of 50 states which would account for 7 of the 10 guys you listed (and still would if you replaced Downey with Taylor). Of course those states are some of the highest populated ones as well so not really comparable to Russia. Edited October 9, 2019 by 1032004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,664 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 Americans tend to be coached into great situations. Caucus wrestlers are made to be great. On balance, the concentration of old (Eastern) European roots of eastern rust belt of the US are more predisposed physically for success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mspart 201 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 I think there is just too much mixing of peoples in the US to come up with that kind of conclusion. We historically have high caliber wrestlers from many parts of the country. And it ebbs and flows. Oregon had many excellent wrestlers come out, not so much now, but in the past. Fozzard, Sanders, Gutches, Wood, Harris, the Russels, and there are more I'm sure. mspart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 1,683 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, scribe said: Americans tend to be coached into great situations. Caucus wrestlers are made to be great. On balance, the concentration of old (Eastern) European roots of eastern rust belt of the US are more predisposed physically for success. Predisposed physically? 1 scribe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 973 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Plasmodium said: Not much from Western PA, NE Ohio, NY Metro or Eastern PA here: Fix(OK), Graff(CO), ZT(PA),Green(NJ), JB(NJ),Dake(NY),Downey(MD),Cox(MO),Snyder(MD), Gwiz(NY) While Zain Train is arguably Eastern PA - its really Pennsyltucky. When I made my comment, I used "past tense" to infer "historically". The current world team is a point in time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,664 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Plasmodium said: Predisposed physically? Yes. Jimmy the Greek level **** right there. 1 1 Plasmodium and cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,664 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 Basically. Each group, Ossetian and Eastern European all originate from the same subset of Neanderthals. This gives way to lower center of gravity (short legs), stupid strong, flexible, and relatively injury free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 973 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, scribe said: Basically. Each group, Ossetian and Eastern European all originate from the same subset of Neanderthals. This gives way to lower center of gravity (short legs), stupid strong, flexible, and relatively injury free. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastically factually accurate, or are acting in a newfound form of racist/bigoted speech. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,664 Report post Posted October 9, 2019 The Neanderthal/alien combination group I came from didn’t lend me with any of the necessary traits to be good at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites