D3 for LU 58 Report post Posted January 7, 2020 10 hours ago, red blades said: Lehigh vs. Cornell - Time to chat this one up? If I plug in what I THINK will be the lineups, Wrestlestat prediction shows it at 18-12 for Lehigh. I think it gets the wins/ losses correct, but I think Lehigh has a bit more potential for some bonus wins. Some key questions: Will Yapoujian be available for Cornell? If Yap is a go - who will go 165 for Cornell? Will Jimmy Hoffman be available for Lehigh? That would be a negative, RB. ... uh, for any reason would some of the Oly RS's "magically" appear in the lineup next Saturday? ;-P (jess wunderin'...) D3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red blades 364 Report post Posted January 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, D3 for LU said: That would be a negative, RB. ... uh, for any reason would some of the Oly RS's "magically" appear in the lineup next Saturday? ;-P (jess wunderin'...) D3 Not hearing anything along those lines. Yianni and Vito are both qualified for the Olympic Trials, so I expect they will stay on course for that. Dean and Berryessa are not now qualified for the trials, but I'm not sure if they will (or even can) come back for second term... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 730 Report post Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, red blades said: Not hearing anything along those lines. Yianni and Vito are both qualified for the Olympic Trials, so I expect they will stay on course for that. Dean and Berryessa are not now qualified for the trials, but I'm not sure if they will (or even can) come back for second term... Arujau, Berreyesa, Dean, and Diakomihalis are all now removed from cornellbigred.com's wrestling roster page. They'd been there until (more or less) just now. Pretty sure we can put this rumor to rest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdalu75 119 Report post Posted January 7, 2020 Hoffman had been ranked by some services, but he's not shown in any updates this week. That means they know something and that he'll be out for awhile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 1,067 Report post Posted January 8, 2020 Why are Yianni and Vito not in Italy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 515 Report post Posted January 8, 2020 16 hours ago, NJDan said: Why are Yianni and Vito not in Italy? good question. i'm surprised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 730 Report post Posted January 8, 2020 18 hours ago, NJDan said: Why are Yianni and Vito not in Italy? They have no say in going. USAW, I believe, chooses the contestants, as this is a qualifying/ranking tournament (or whatever). It's not like the Spanish Grand Prix where more or less anyone can enter. USAW can't send half their ranked wrestlers, and Yianni and Vito aren't right now in the top three in their respective weight classes. That's my shoot-from-the-hip response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red blades 364 Report post Posted January 8, 2020 Getting back to Folkstyle - did you guys see this? https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2020/January/08/First-NCAA-award-standings-released Ben Darmstadt is leading Division 1 with 11 falls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
witwhiz 45 Report post Posted January 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, red blades said: Getting back to Folkstyle - did you guys see this? https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2020/January/08/First-NCAA-award-standings-released Ben Darmstadt is leading Division 1 with 11 falls. That includes the bouts where he got pinned, right? 1 NonspecificJargon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 730 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, red blades said: Getting back to Folkstyle - did you guys see this? https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2020/January/08/First-NCAA-award-standings-released Ben Darmstadt is leading Division 1 with 11 falls. https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/statistical 1 Gantry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red blades 364 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, klehner said: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/statistical Keep in mind, the Wrestlestat list includes all competition (D2, D3, Juco). The NCAA list is only D1 stats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 730 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 10 hours ago, red blades said: Keep in mind, the Wrestlestat list includes all competition (D2, D3, Juco). The NCAA list is only D1 stats. My point was that this information is available and updated on a daily basis, rather than waiting for the NCAA to publish it at random times. Easy enough to look down the list for a given wrestler and count only the falls against D1 guys. BTW, Darmstadt has now passed Brian Realbuto and Travis Lee to move into 9th in career falls with 29...after 1.5 seasons. At this rate, he may take the lead from Mack Lewnes' 55 pins by the end of his junior year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 2,033 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 15 hours ago, klehner said: They have no say in going. USAW, I believe, chooses the contestants, as this is a qualifying/ranking tournament (or whatever). It's not like the Spanish Grand Prix where more or less anyone can enter. USAW can't send half their ranked wrestlers, and Yianni and Vito aren't right now in the top three in their respective weight classes. That's my shoot-from-the-hip response. Yianni is #2 on the National Team Ladder at 65kg. Dake and Green are nada at 74kg. Not trying to be argumentative so much but there has to be other reasoning, from whichever side, than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,997 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Yianni is #2 on the National Team Ladder at 65kg. Is that true now? I can’t imagine it is after losing to McKenna and JO’s rise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 515 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, wrestlingnerd said: Is that true now? I can’t imagine it is after losing to McKenna and JO’s rise. i don't think USAW updates the ladder (publicly) more than once a year Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdalu75 119 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 12 hours ago, red blades said: Keep in mind, the Wrestlestat list includes all competition (D2, D3, Juco). The NCAA list is only D1 stats. Doesn't matter .... Darmstadt has only faced D1 opponents this season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 515 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 Wrestlestat is saying Lehigh 18-12 (with Womack in and Karam subbing for Hoffman) but hoo boy do I fear it's going to be worse than that. Wrestlestat is very conservative on awarding bonus points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 730 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, ugarte said: Wrestlestat is saying Lehigh 18-12 (with Womack in and Karam subbing for Hoffman) but hoo boy do I fear it's going to be worse than that. Wrestlestat is very conservative on awarding bonus points. Gonna be worse. Projected lineup just posted (no Yapoujian, no Womack): 125 Dom LaJoie (10-10) 133 #5 Chas Tucker (17-0) 141 Noah Baughman (14-7) 149 Hunter Richard (11-7) 157 Adam Santoro (8-8) 165 Milik Dawkins (8-6) or Andrew Merola (4-6) 174 Milik Dawkins (8-6) or Andrew Merola (4-6) 184 Jonathan Loew (15-7) 197 #10 Ben Darmstadt (18-4) HWT Brendan Furman (12-7) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 515 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, klehner said: Gonna be worse. Projected lineup just posted (no Yapoujian, no Womack): hoo boy and no post-south beach update Edited January 9, 2020 by ugarte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 2,033 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, wrestlingnerd said: Is that true now? I can’t imagine it is after losing to McKenna and JO’s rise. Yes. Regardless of in season results the National Team and positioning stays the same until the next Trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdalu75 119 Report post Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, klehner said: Gonna be worse. Projected lineup just posted (no Yapoujian, no Womack): 125 Dom LaJoie (10-10) 133 #5 Chas Tucker (17-0) 141 Noah Baughman (14-7) 149 Hunter Richard (11-7) 157 Adam Santoro (8-8) 165 Milik Dawkins (8-6) or Andrew Merola (4-6) 174 Milik Dawkins (8-6) or Andrew Merola (4-6) 184 Jonathan Loew (15-7) 197 #10 Ben Darmstadt (18-4) HWT Brendan Furman (12-7) In a private e-mail my opinion was that Lehigh was favored in six bouts, Cornell in two, with two close to even. If everything breaks Lehigh's way (when does that ever happen?) it'll look like a rout. If everything breaks Cornell's way and Lehigh drops one upset, then it comes down to bonus points or the dreaded criterion c. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red blades 364 Report post Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) I'd say Tucker and Darmstadt are likely wins, and would not count out Baughman or Loew. Maybe Richard can take an upset win over Karam? 165 doesn't look strong for either team, but Dawkins just did not look good at South Beach; maybe a tough cut after the long break? In any case, it's hard to see any path for Cornell to win this one without Yap and Womack. It looks like Lehigh will extend it's current streak in the series - up to two? Edited January 10, 2020 by red blades Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red blades 364 Report post Posted January 10, 2020 FWIW: Here's the Probable Starters from the Lehigh Match Notes: 125 No. 6 Brandon Paetzell (Jr., Phillipsburg, N.J.) 8-2 OR Luke Resnick (So., Chester Springs, Pa.) 4-5 133 Nick Farro (Jr., Morristown, N.J.) 7-3 OR Jaret Lane (So., Catawissa, Pa.) 11-5 141 Ryan Pomrinca (Sr., Annandale, N.J.) 6-5 OR Dan Moran (So., Bethlehem, Pa.) 8-2 149 Luke Karam (Jr., Bath, Pa.) 8-2 157 No. 9 Josh Humphreys (So., Parkersburg, W. Va.) 8-4 OR AJ Burkhart (Fr., Athens, Pa.) 6-7 165 Brian Meyer (Fr., Phillipsburg, N.J.) 5-11 174 No. 3 Jordan Kutler (Sr., Sparta, N.J.) 9-1 184 No. 19 Chris Weiler (Jr., Biglerville, Pa.) 9-5 197 No. 20 Jake Jakobsen (Jr., Sciota, Pa.) 8-4 285 No. 11 Jordan Wood (Jr., Gilbertsville, Pa.) 6-4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LU in the Hub 1 Report post Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) This should be a good match. It would be disappointing for Lehigh if they can't win with both Yapoujian and Womack out for Cornell, which opens up both of those weights for bonus points, imo. But, the Evil Ivy empire has 2 locks and good chances in the 4 swing matches, so there's definitely a path to victory for them. I think Hoffman would have matched up better vs Richard, but Karam has been written off a little too quickly by some fans. Kutler doesn't get too many back points or pins, but he's definitely capable of putting on a takedown clinic vs a lot of guys (ask Berryessa). Jake has given up a pin and a major vs Darmstadt in the past, but you'd think that as the tallest Lehigh wrestler should be able to match up against the 6'5" pin machine. Looking forward to this one. I'm even going to get back on ESPN+ for a month. Edited January 10, 2020 by LU in the Hub typo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 515 Report post Posted January 10, 2020 I like to see a lot of "or" in the Lehigh roster I guess. Beats seeing a guy in the top 10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
