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Final

Ramirez:  F 1:07, F 1:15, MD 11-3, LBF 2:47 MFOR 3rd place

Foca:  TF 16-0, F 1:52, D 10-7 (over Ed Ruth), F 2:00, L 10-3 2nd place

Dean: MD 20-8, F 4:31, Inj Def (Tarantino RS Harvard?), F 4:10, F :57 1st place

Cardenas:  F 1:17, F 1:18, D 8-1, D 6-3, TF 19-1 !st place

Fernandes:  F 2:52, F :48, F 4:39, D 6-0 1st place

(FLWC is 2nd in team standings)

Berreyesa:  F 2:24, F 2:48, F 6:28, L 6-1, MFOR 4th place

Venosa:  F 4:24, D 9-7, D 7-6, L 5-2, MFOR 3rd place

 

Not the best competition for them, it seems.  Max looks the worst among the FLWC guys (until he didn't).  Lots of pins all around.

 

Edited by klehner

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Starocchi gets Berryessa and Foca if he wins.

Starrochi 6 Berreyesa 1

Berreyesa only wants that left underhook. Decent defensivly, but Carter took him down 2x and rode him the entire 3rd period.

Edited by TBar1977

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1 hour ago, TBar1977 said:

Starocchi gets Berryessa and Foca if he wins.

Starrochi 6 Berreyesa 1

Berreyesa only wants that left underhook. Decent defensivly, but Carter took him down 2x and rode him the entire 3rd period.

Is Starocci a redshirt? Does he count towards Berreyesa's various match minimums?

And yes, Berreyesa is a Greco specialist. His game is all underhooks and an occasional throw-by. I felt last year he could be careless on his unders, seemingly forgetting that the other guy was allowed to use legs, but that has been cleaned up. 

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3 hours ago, ugarte said:

Is Starocci a redshirt? Does he count towards Berreyesa's various match minimums?

And yes, Berreyesa is a Greco specialist. His game is all underhooks and an occasional throw-by. I felt last year he could be careless on his unders, seemingly forgetting that the other guy was allowed to use legs, but that has been cleaned up. 

Starocchi is in his redshirt. He is a year behind guys like Brooks and Beard. He beat Assad at Dapper Dan. 

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3 hours ago, TBar1977 said:

Starocchi is in his redshirt. He is a year behind guys like Brooks and Beard. He beat Assad at Dapper Dan. 

thanks. I was pretty sure of the answer to the first question and more curious about the answer to the second. I figure he was only at edinboro to get his match total up so if Starocci doesn't count that stinks (especially since he didn't wrestle the 3d place match).

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While the talent level at the Edinboro tourney may not have been (wasn't?) top-shelf, you can only wrestle who is sent out to face you. The display of power and technique put on by the FLWC in winning the tourney, and by the few Cornell boys who attended, is to be commended.

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3 hours ago, tjhart said:

While the talent level at the Edinboro tourney may not have been (wasn't?) top-shelf, you can only wrestle who is sent out to face you. The display of power and technique put on by the FLWC in winning the tourney, and by the few Cornell boys who attended, is to be commended.

I agree the FLWC and Cornell wrestlers looked good.

Good update on the Friedman Center upgrades  https://www.flowrestling.org/video/6675208-the-friedman-wrestling-center-is-getting-a-major-face-lift

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17 hours ago, ugarte said:

thanks. I was pretty sure of the answer to the first question and more curious about the answer to the second. I figure he was only at edinboro to get his match total up so if Starocci doesn't count that stinks (especially since he didn't wrestle the 3d place match).

He's got seven bouts now, so one more and he's eligible for the winning percentage (I always need to remind myself that it's 5 for the CP ranking and 8 for the WP, not the other way around).  This way if he misses a weekend to illness or a ding he's covered.

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I just saw "not on the roster". So...What odes that mean for him...this year --Can he get put back on if his injury heals? Next year? Still no word from Koll so is this injury, academic,  homesick?  Still a lot of unanswered questions.

 

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4 minutes ago, tjhart said:

I just saw "not on the roster". So...What odes that mean for him...this year --Can he get put back on if his injury heals? Next year? Still no word from Koll so is this injury, academic,  homesick?  Still a lot of unanswered questions.

 

He had a brace on his knee at a match recently while in the stands. Don't think that means he's homesick.

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I can live with the only losses from the big 4 at FLWC  as Foca's to Starocci and Ramirez to Amine. All of them were bonus machines. Promising. Also good to see that Dean coasted. Would hate to think he's been getting rusty drilling freestyle.

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21 hours ago, tjhart said:

I just saw "not on the roster". So...What odes that mean for him...this year --Can he get put back on if his injury heals? Next year? Still no word from Koll so is this injury, academic,  homesick?  Still a lot of unanswered questions.

 

Cornell cleaned up its roster recently; Matt Russo and Trence Gillem also removed; but you don't take a guy off a roster because he's temporarily unavailable.  If he's out for the year he might also not be in school in order to save semesters for later years; that would explain his removal from the roster.

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5 minutes ago, jdalu75 said:

Cornell cleaned up its roster recently; Matt Russo and Trence Gillem also removed; but you don't take a guy off a roster because he's temporarily unavailable.  If he's out for the year he might also not be in school in order to save semesters for later years; that would explain his removal from the roster.

This.  Yapoujian, if not in school second semester, could still compete in four second-semester years by taking off next fall, thereby making next spring the end of his "freshman" year.

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1 hour ago, klehner said:

So, is this the year that Cornell loses the Ivy title?  I'll be in Jadwin Gym Sunday to see for myself.  Interesting to see if Womack and Darmstadt wrestle this weekend (and if Womack goes, who is at 165 and 174).

Thought Womack was done.

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12 hours ago, klehner said:

This.  Yapoujian, if not in school second semester, could still compete in four second-semester years by taking off next fall, thereby making next spring the end of his "freshman" year.

I’m pretty sure that DI sports don’t have semesters of eligibility.  Now, if he was doing an internship or studying abroad this semester, then he is allowed to do precisely what you said.  

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1 hour ago, Cptafw164 said:

I’m pretty sure that DI sports don’t have semesters of eligibility.  Now, if he was doing an internship or studying abroad this semester, then he is allowed to do precisely what you said.  

It does work that way at Cornell.  Koll calls it "graduation management".

Edited by Plasmodium
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1 minute ago, Plasmodium said:

It does work that way at Cornell.  Koll calls it "graduation management".

I was talking about the NCAA guidelines for DI athletics.  That would be like Miami saying, “oh no, it is our school policy to pay the football players.”

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4 hours ago, Cptafw164 said:

I’m pretty sure that DI sports don’t have semesters of eligibility.  Now, if he was doing an internship or studying abroad this semester, then he is allowed to do precisely what you said.  

The Ivies have stricter rules than the NCAA. The semester manipulation is a way of operating withing the Ivy guidelines (four years/eight semesters as a registered student) to delay graduation to fit the five-year NCAA graduation limit.

Basically, "you can't redshirt as an enrolled student" ... but you can greyshirt at FLWC during a gap year or "you can't take five years to graduate" ... but if you take a semester off from school completely, that semester doesn't count towards the four years.

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3 hours ago, ugarte said:

The Ivies have stricter rules than the NCAA. The semester manipulation is a way of operating withing the Ivy guidelines (four years/eight semesters as a registered student) to delay graduation to fit the five-year NCAA graduation limit.

Basically, "you can't redshirt as an enrolled student" ... but you can greyshirt at FLWC during a gap year or "you can't take five years to graduate" ... but if you take a semester off from school completely, that semester doesn't count towards the four years.

The first wrestler I can think of who took advantage of this loophole some years ago was a Harvard lightweight; Robbie Preston, maybe?  Whoever it was, he was out of school in the fall semester in his fourth and fifth years at Harvard, back in for the spring semesters when he wrestled at EIWAs both seasons.

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8 minutes ago, jdalu75 said:

The first wrestler I can think of who took advantage of this loophole some years ago was a Harvard lightweight; Robbie Preston, maybe?  Whoever it was, he was out of school in the fall semester in his fourth and fifth years at Harvard, back in for the spring semesters when he wrestled at EIWAs both seasons.

Yes, that was Robbie.

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6 minutes ago, jdalu75 said:

The first wrestler I can think of who took advantage of this loophole some years ago was a Harvard lightweight; Robbie Preston, maybe?  Whoever it was, he was out of school in the fall semester in his fourth and fifth years at Harvard, back in for the spring semesters when he wrestled at EIWAs both seasons.

I've seen it used more for football players - who don't have a semester-straddling sport so it's more straightforward - though not in a while. 

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31 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

The first wrestler I can think of who took advantage of this loophole some years ago was a Harvard lightweight;

I don't believe this is a "loophole", it think the extension of eligibility is explicitly permitted via waiver, in the case of medical hardship or other circumstances. But the waiver still requires taking a leave of absence so the student graduates in the specified enrollment time period.

As an aside - there's been a lot of hand wringing in the Ivy League in recent years over what some consider to be an archaic and unrealistic policy (and not just with respect to wrestling).  I think the current policy is considered something of a compromise; not ideal, but allows for some flexibility in the face of hardship, without granting athletes an accomodation not available to other students.

https://medium.com/full-court-press-cornell-daily-sun/how-the-ivy-league-is-forcing-out-student-athletes-885c8311e25a

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