Housebuye 1,818 Report post Posted October 30 3 minutes ago, Mokoma said: Which part is confusing? Taylor pinned and then beat Yaz 11-6. Yeah their second match was much more competitive than you are making it sound. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,818 Report post Posted October 30 1 minute ago, uncle bernard said: And was getting handled in both matches before he gassed Yazdani. Certainly didn't handle him "with ease" as you put it. He was VERY close to getting DQ'd for passivity in the first match. Bo does not wrestle the same type of pace that DT does. You can't just translate scores. Also no evidence Bo would do any better against a healthy DT than Yazdani. Exactly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 253 Report post Posted October 30 10 minutes ago, Housebuye said: We don’t send our our best to U23. We don’t take it seriously. Team results for U23x at least for USA, don’t mean anything. the majority of our team isn’t even top 10 in the US. Liked this from another site. Thanks Yank. QUOTE: So I tried to make the best possible U23 team with only guys out of college or on redshirt (I cheated with Kerkvliet). Here's what I came up with in a couple hours looking: 57kg- Daton Fix 61kg- Vito Arujau 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Alec Pantaleo 74kg- Logan Massa 79kg- Mekhi Lewis 86kg- Max Dean 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg-Greg Kerkvliet This lineup has 8/10 guys who have made Cadet/Junior teams, 10/10 have placed at NCAAs, 7/10 top 3, 4/10 NCAA champs. Only 4/10 of these guys ended up on the team, with Vito winning Junior silver and Daton making the senior team. Here's the best lineup I made not counting redshirts/availability 57kg: Spencer Lee 61kg: Daton Fix 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Ryan Deakin 74kg- Mekhi Lewis 79kg- Mark Hall 86kg- Zahid Valencia 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg- Gable Steveson This lineup has 10/10 previous world teams, 10/10 placed at NCAAs, 9/10 top 3, and 7/10 NCAA champs. That's the type of lineup Team USA could put out this year, and the type of lineup that would win 5+ medals. Only one guy there tried to make a U23 team, and that one guy is in the finals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 364 Report post Posted October 30 2 hours ago, Mokoma said: I think Bo would have won world gold at 86 or 92, if he were on the team. He might have won @ 92, if you're talking seniors, even though he's still second-best in America, but I don't think he would have beaten Yazdani at 86. People don't seem to realize just how weak 79 kilos and 92 were at this year's world's. I'm not saying Dake and J'den aren't great but those weight classes were as soft as Cinnabon's topics! 2 1 1 misterc, Yellow_Medal, CaliWrestler and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,818 Report post Posted October 30 4 minutes ago, Mokoma said: Who all was noticeably missing? Not disagreeing just don’t know our age level guys freestyle experience. 57 kg could be Spencer Lee, Daton Fix, Nick Suriano, Vito Arujao and about 10 other guys ahead of Townsell 61 Any of the 57s, plus RBY and a couple others 65 - Yianni, but Eierman is a solid choice 70 - Hidlay, We also have a junior world silver here who made FinalX 74 - Nolf, few others 79 - Hall, Zahid, few others 86 - same as 79 92 - Bo is the best choice 97 - this is the first year Snyder isn’t eligible. Maybe Warner, Moore or Elam. All have age level medals 125 - Gable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,818 Report post Posted October 30 Just now, Mphillips said: Liked this from another site. Thanks Yank. QUOTE: So I tried to make the best possible U23 team with only guys out of college or on redshirt (I cheated with Kerkvliet). Here's what I came up with in a couple hours looking: 57kg- Daton Fix 61kg- Vito Arujau 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Alec Pantaleo 74kg- Logan Massa 79kg- Mekhi Lewis 86kg- Max Dean 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg-Greg Kerkvliet This lineup has 8/10 guys who have made Cadet/Junior teams, 10/10 have placed at NCAAs, 7/10 top 3, 4/10 NCAA champs. Only 4/10 of these guys ended up on the team, with Vito winning Junior silver and Daton making the senior team. Here's the best lineup I made not counting redshirts/availability 57kg: Spencer Lee 61kg: Daton Fix 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Ryan Deakin 74kg- Mekhi Lewis 79kg- Mark Hall 86kg- Zahid Valencia 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg- Gable Steveson This lineup has 10/10 previous world teams, 10/10 placed at NCAAs, 9/10 top 3, and 7/10 NCAA champs. That's the type of lineup Team USA could put out this year, and the type of lineup that would win 5+ medals. Only one guy there tried to make a U23 team, and that one guy is in the finals. Really good stuff 1 Mphillips reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 56 Report post Posted October 30 7 minutes ago, Mphillips said: Liked this from another site. Thanks Yank. QUOTE: So I tried to make the best possible U23 team with only guys out of college or on redshirt (I cheated with Kerkvliet). Here's what I came up with in a couple hours looking: 57kg- Daton Fix 61kg- Vito Arujau 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Alec Pantaleo 74kg- Logan Massa 79kg- Mekhi Lewis 86kg- Max Dean 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg-Greg Kerkvliet This lineup has 8/10 guys who have made Cadet/Junior teams, 10/10 have placed at NCAAs, 7/10 top 3, 4/10 NCAA champs. Only 4/10 of these guys ended up on the team, with Vito winning Junior silver and Daton making the senior team. Here's the best lineup I made not counting redshirts/availability 57kg: Spencer Lee 61kg: Daton Fix 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Ryan Deakin 74kg- Mekhi Lewis 79kg- Mark Hall 86kg- Zahid Valencia 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg- Gable Steveson This lineup has 10/10 previous world teams, 10/10 placed at NCAAs, 9/10 top 3, and 7/10 NCAA champs. That's the type of lineup Team USA could put out this year, and the type of lineup that would win 5+ medals. Only one guy there tried to make a U23 team, and that one guy is in the finals. In the finals? Pretty sure he won, and easily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 56 Report post Posted October 30 9 minutes ago, Housebuye said: 57 kg could be Spencer Lee, Daton Fix, Nick Suriano, Vito Arujao and about 10 other guys ahead of Townsell 61 Any of the 57s, plus RBY and a couple others 65 - Yianni, but Eierman is a solid choice 70 - Hidlay, We also have a junior world silver here who made FinalX 74 - Nolf, few others 79 - Hall, Zahid, few others 86 - same as 79 92 - Bo is the best choice 97 - this is the first year Snyder isn’t eligible. Maybe Warner, Moore or Elam. All have age level medals 125 - Gable Wow yeah I wonder why none of those guys wanted to compete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,315 Report post Posted October 30 Looking at these posts, USA sends its best they win. Hands down they win. 1 Mphillips reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ_wrestling 73 Report post Posted October 30 10 minutes ago, Mphillips said: Liked this from another site. Thanks Yank. QUOTE: So I tried to make the best possible U23 team with only guys out of college or on redshirt (I cheated with Kerkvliet). Here's what I came up with in a couple hours looking: 57kg- Daton Fix 61kg- Vito Arujau 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Alec Pantaleo 74kg- Logan Massa 79kg- Mekhi Lewis 86kg- Max Dean 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg-Greg Kerkvliet This lineup has 8/10 guys who have made Cadet/Junior teams, 10/10 have placed at NCAAs, 7/10 top 3, 4/10 NCAA champs. Only 4/10 of these guys ended up on the team, with Vito winning Junior silver and Daton making the senior team. Here's the best lineup I made not counting redshirts/availability 57kg: Spencer Lee 61kg: Daton Fix 65kg- Yianni Diakomihalis 70kg- Ryan Deakin 74kg- Mekhi Lewis 79kg- Mark Hall 86kg- Zahid Valencia 92kg- Myles Martin 97kg- Bo Nickal 125kg- Gable Steveson This lineup has 10/10 previous world teams, 10/10 placed at NCAAs, 9/10 top 3, and 7/10 NCAA champs. That's the type of lineup Team USA could put out this year, and the type of lineup that would win 5+ medals. Only one guy there tried to make a U23 team, and that one guy is in the finals. Great list. I actually think Carr at 70 and Nolf at 74 would be best but regardless if we sent that team they would handily win the team title imo. 2 Mphillips and PSUMike reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 253 Report post Posted October 30 6 minutes ago, Mokoma said: In the finals? Pretty sure he won, and easily. This was posted before he was in the finals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 825 Report post Posted October 30 After yet another year of U23's (the better version of Universities), I think more of our guys will jump on the bandwagon. Not on World Team and of age, go U23's and get to compete against Top 10 world talent. It's a pretty good story and is very real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 364 Report post Posted October 30 2 hours ago, Mokoma said: I do, Taylor has handled him with ease. I also take Bo over Taylor, if you want to ask that next. Taylor has NEVER handled Yazdani with ease. That is a fact. It's an opinion. There's nothing he is done that would lead anybody to think that he's better than David Taylor in freestyle at 86 kilos right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 436 Report post Posted October 30 23 minutes ago, AZ_wrestling said: Great list. I actually think Carr at 70 and Nolf at 74 would be best but regardless if we sent that team they would handily win the team title imo. How do you know other countries send their best? I dunno, but I suspect that u23 is second fiddle to juniors (and certainly to seniors) everywhere. 1 misterc reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 364 Report post Posted October 30 I could understand if Bo was close to 97 in weight right now. But somebody said he weighed 87.2 kg in Budapest. Why would he attempt to go to 97 next year instead of 86? If nothing else physically he's going to be giving away a lot of strength and just because he puts that much weight on in one year doesn't mean his conditioning is going to be there. Remember how long it took both Yazdani and Taylor to get to where they were comfortable at that weight? I don't get it. Plus he's going to have to wrestle a member of nlwc at either weight. I realize he's probably closer to Taylor but if he's going to do what's best for him I think it's at 86 not 97. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncle bernard 70 Report post Posted October 30 51 minutes ago, Housebuye said: Yeah their second match was much more competitive than you are making it sound. The first match was way more competitive than he made it sound too! lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 364 Report post Posted October 30 56 minutes ago, Mokoma said: Which part is confusing? Taylor pinned and then beat Yaz 11-6. You're the one that said he handled him with ease and in neither of those matches was anything easy. He was way behind in both matches so there is no handling with ease there at all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 364 Report post Posted October 30 42 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Looking at these posts, USA sends its best they win. Hands down they win. That's assuming that Russia does not send their best under-23 team which could possibly contain some senior medalists. But you're right the team listed above would certainly win what's there this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 374 Report post Posted October 30 14 minutes ago, ConnorsDad said: I could understand if Bo was close to 97 in weight right now. But somebody said he weighed 87.2 kg in Budapest. Why would he attempt to go to 97 next year instead of 86? If nothing else physically he's going to be giving away a lot of strength and just because he puts that much weight on in one year doesn't mean his conditioning is going to be there. Remember how long it took both Yazdani and Taylor to get to where they were comfortable at that weight? I don't get it. Plus he's going to have to wrestle a member of nlwc at either weight. I realize he's probably closer to Taylor but if he's going to do what's best for him I think it's at 86 not 97. I don't believe anyone says 87.2 in Budapest. I said what was reported for Final X. He weighed in at 87.2 then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 364 Report post Posted October 30 Just now, nhs67 said: I don't believe anyone says 87.2 in Budapest. I said what was reported for Final X. He weighed in at 87.2 then. My bad. Still a lot of weight to be putting on. 1 nhs67 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PSUMike 427 Report post Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Housebuye said: We don’t send our our best to U23. We don’t take it seriously. Team results for U23x at least for USA, don’t mean anything. the majority of our team isn’t even top 10 in the US. I follow the sport pretty damn closely. It's pretty rare for me to not even recognize someone's name. If they are a decent wrestler, I can almost always tell you the team and a ballpark on their weight. I have no idea who our 79kg rep is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 253 Report post Posted October 30 1 minute ago, PSUMike said: I follow the sport pretty damn closely. It's pretty rare for me to not even recognize someone's name. If they are a decent wrestler, I can almost always tell you the team and a ballpark on their weight. I have no idea who our 79kg rep is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle26 315 Report post Posted October 30 Wow congrats to Bo, super impressive performance! It sounds like the Bo hype is getting a little carried away though. Ironically, it seems TBar is the one keeping it perspective :) There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest he is on Taylor or Yazdani’s level. He’s great and he may get there, but I don’t think he’s there yet. My point earlier was to suggest that I agree it’s very hard to believe DT didn’t tell Bo that he would be out for the trials, but I just can’t fathom that he weighs 87 kg and would decide not to go 86 if he knew DT wasn’t there. That’s harder to believe than DT not telling he wouldn’t be back in time for trial. Obviously, Taylor knew he was this good, so he may have been concerned he would win a medal at 86 (I think he would have, just not gold). Pure speculation, but I just don’t see another option that makes sense Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 374 Report post Posted October 31 1 hour ago, ConnorsDad said: That's assuming that Russia does not send their best under-23 team which could possibly contain some senior medalists. But you're right the team listed above would certainly win what's there this year. I agree entirely. His best bud is Cassar, so maybe we see a beefed up Nickal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Genius 182 Report post Posted October 31 People saying Bo would beat Yazdani already... Yikes. 3 1 steamboat_charlie v2, bnwtwg, misterc and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
