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"Gophers wrestling standout Gable Steveson will miss the start of the new season Friday, as he remains suspended and isn’t practicing with the team, the University of Minnesota confirmed Wednesday."

http://m.startribune.com/gable-steveson-remains-suspended-as-gophers-wrestling-season-begins/564128372/?fbclid=IwAR3LVowSvRAMBdhtUYtRbF35fznmiHshCLjY2zeayJh-KVcF_iRLHeB8NYI

 

Sounds like he will remain suspended pending resolution of the investigation...that could take the whole season.

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Wow, this is bizarre. Can he still take an Olympic redshirt? Might be a good idea if he is suspended anyway. But it's outrageous and probably unconstitutional to keep him suspended for this long, especially w/o charges being filed.

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32 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Wow, this is bizarre. Can he still take an Olympic redshirt? Might be a good idea if he is suspended anyway. But it's outrageous and probably unconstitutional to keep him suspended for this long, especially w/o charges being filed.

Yes, he can take a ORS.

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47 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Wow, this is bizarre. Can he still take an Olympic redshirt? Might be a good idea if he is suspended anyway. But it's outrageous and probably unconstitutional to keep him suspended for this long, especially w/o charges being filed.

There's nothing in the constitution related to collegiate athletic suspensions.

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55 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Wow, this is bizarre. Can he still take an Olympic redshirt? Might be a good idea if he is suspended anyway. But it's outrageous and probably unconstitutional to keep him suspended for this long, especially w/o charges being filed.

I'm pretty sure NCAA suspensions weren't addressed until the Treaty of Versailles.

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41 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Wow, this is bizarre. Can he still take an Olympic redshirt? Might be a good idea if he is suspended anyway. But it's outrageous and probably unconstitutional to keep him suspended for this long, especially w/o charges being filed.

Per the article “Hennepin County’s investigation remains active.” No way the University can or will conclude their investigation before the County does. It’s possible the University’s investigation hasn’t really started yet given the criminal investigation is ongoing. Because they’re both students the University’s investigation and process is going to trigger Title IX requirements, so it could be tedious and long. In other words this could take a while longer.

In fairness to Gable (and his accuser) what the hell could be taking the County attorney this long?? Gable spoke to investigators at length the day he was arrested. Given the nature of the allegations it’s going to come down to the accuser’s word against the defendants’ words. I don’t see how it could take this long to decide if they have a case.

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21 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Doesn't he have to defer enrollment in that scenario?  Is he enrolled now?

The article says he’s currently enrolled. I believe the NCAA’s Olympic Waiver rule allows athletes to take a less than full courseload for up to 2 semesters/3 quarters in a row while training for international competition without losing eligibility, but it doesn't require them to stop taking classes. It’s just what happens typically.

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3 minutes ago, jchapman said:

That's it, Jimmy Cinni is played by one of the forum moderators.  Every other mention of Gable (yet alone a topic with his name in the title) gets 1984'd immediately.

Give it time...It's only been an hour or so.

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16 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I'm pretty sure NCAA suspensions weren't addressed until the Treaty of Versailles.

Believe Lincoln mentioned the 'unabridged right to wrestle' in the Gettysburg address, but he was too busy with other issues to push it thru as an amendment to the constitution.  ;)

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14 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

No Gable this season = a happy Cassar

You’re implying that both of Cassar’s wins over Gable last season were flukes, and/or that he doesn’t seem to like to go out and face top competitors. Give him some credit.

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9 minutes ago, Lurker said:

There's nothing in the constitution related to collegiate athletic suspensions.

His suspension is the direct result of the County’s prolonged criminal investigation, so yeah there is some stuff in the constitution that’s relevant to his situation...specifically the 6th amendment. His right to a speedy trial is attached at the time he is arrested or charged, so the clock began in June. 

I don’t agree that his constitutional rights have been violated at this point, but we will reach a point at which they will be. The County prosecutor has publicly said they are weighing charges against him, and then blown self imposed deadlines to make the decision. Until that decision is made he is being deprived of his ability to wrestle through which he earns his tuition, food, and housing; which is akin to someone being suspended from work with pay (assuming his scholarship hasn’t been effected) while a County prosecutor drags their heels on a decision of whether or not to bring charges.

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Just now, pamela said:

You’re implying that both of Cassar’s wins over Gable last season were flukes, and/or that he doesn’t seem to like to go out and face top competitors. Give him some credit.

One less rooster in the hen house is only a good thing for Cassar.

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39 minutes ago, Lurker said:

There's nothing in the constitution related to collegiate athletic suspensions.

Of course not. But the U Minnesota is a state actor and it has to abide by the Due Process Clause, which, in case you are not aware, is in the Constitution.

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2 minutes ago, MDogg said:

His suspension is the direct result of the County’s prolonged criminal investigation, so yeah there is some stuff in the constitution that’s relevant to his situation...specifically the 6th amendment. His right to a speedy trial is attached at the time he is arrested or charged, so the clock began in June. 

I don’t agree that his constitutional rights have been violated at this point, but we will reach a point at which they will be. The County prosecutor has publicly said they are weighing charges against him, and then blown self imposed deadlines to make the decision. Until that decision is made he is being deprived of his ability to wrestle through which he earns his tuition, food, and housing; which is akin to someone being suspended from work with pay (assuming his scholarship hasn’t been effected) while a County prosecutor drags their heels on a decision of whether or not to bring charges.

The constitution relates to law, not the privilege of competing in college athletics.  So your portions about the law would be correct.  And unless I am mistaken his scholarship has not been pulled, so he has not lost his tuition, food, and housing although he is unable to compete.  I agree with your premise, just pointing out that the constitution does not in any was speak to college athletic suspensions.  The legal stuff...yeah.  And I also agree it is ridiculous the prosecutor hasn't either filed or dropped charges yet.

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Just now, NJDan said:

Of course not. But the U Minnesota is a state actor and it has to abide by the Due Process Clause, which, in case you are not aware, is in the Constitution.

Yes, I'm aware.

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Gable is being punished by the state. That fact implicates his constitutional rights. He should have a fair hearing as to the merits of his suspension. If that UM has a blanket rule for suspending athletes based on an arrest, that's suspect, too. 

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