Bill Farrell Discussion Thread

[nhs67 901]

3 hours ago, dmm53 said:

Lewis is kind of like Cox.  Extremely strong and preternaturally athletic.  But regardless of who wins, neither has the creativity, technique,  stamina, or motor of DT or Nolf.  Why can't people recognize these honest differences?  

So you're picking Nolf?

Then saying Nolf = DT?

Also saying Lewis = Cox?

With the understanding that Nolf hasn't even had a full year to grown into the weight change bump?

With the equal understanding that Lewis was absolutely massive for 165 last year, and this weight is less than his NCAA season?

I believe your logic is the precise reason folks are picking Lewis over Nolf.

If you're using that logic to pick Nolf, let me learn you something.

Nolf and DT do have insane motors. This version of Nolf isn't as good as the last 163lb version we saw. Nor is his motor as good(or proven). He relies more on ingenuity and flexibility to fuel his insane athleticism than DT did.  Entirely different animals with similar strengths and the same coaches.

Lewis and Cox? Their only comparable trait is sheer physical athletic prowess. Different styles, coaches, strengths, weakness, etc.

Nolf will beat Lewis if they wrestle this weekend. He is a better wrestler who has been able to focus on getting better and not an insane weight cut 

[treep2000 901]

8 hours ago, spladle08 said:

Personally, love me some Lewis, but have stated that last international performance has me nervous and favoring Imar.

 

However... Nolf is no secret wildcard. He's as much a wildcard as Marstellar is.

I think Lewis actually handles him. Just not enough takedowns....

Agree though Imar is the class of the tourney, dont think he's a "different animal" what'd he have like 3 of 4 NCAA losses? I'd say he's the same animal. But dont overvalue Nolf with no supporting results, and dont use that desperation win over Martinez as "supporting result"....

 

Lecturing someone for speculating a finish that could be nothing or something (wildcard) with no supporting results over lecturing someone for making a prediction with no supporting results are two different things.

I have an idea.  Stop lecturing people. 

[bnwtwg 426]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

Nolf will beat Lewis if they wrestle this weekend. He is a better wrestler who has been able to focus on getting better and not an insane weight cut 

I've always been curious how much Nolf cuts? At first glance he looks naturally lean and I always assumed he walked around at 160, maybe 162 soaking weight. He strikes me as the Euro freak athletic body type

[Plasmodium 1,576]

5 hours ago, dmm53 said:

Lewis is kind of like Cox.  Extremely strong and preternaturally athletic.  But regardless of who wins, neither has the creativity, technique,  stamina, or motor of DT or Nolf.  Why can't people recognize these honest differences?  

Why do you think Cox is more athletic than DT?  Also, Cox has perfect technique and I have never seen him gas.

[spladle08 725]

Lecturing someone for speculating a finish that could be nothing or something (wildcard) with no supporting results over lecturing someone for making a prediction with no supporting results are two different things.
I have an idea.  Stop lecturing people. 

Youre so clever.
I like Mehki over Nolf because:
He's bigger, junior WC, even at NCAA's won a much tougher weight last year, super stingey on his feet, and competent enough to not get turned.

Im not picking Nolf because.
Hes not a takedown specialist, smaller, no past FS results of note (yes he beat the people we expected him to last year in route to Imar), we still havent seen what this heavier verion looks like.

Love you, hilarious post by the way. Youre just so damn clever

[spladle08 725]

That was the 70kg Nolf, not yet grown into and comfortable at 74kg. I won't make any rash predictions, but I'll have my eye on Jason Nolf in this tournament, and I'll be far more surprised if he is defeated early than if he makes the finals. He has had some time to get ready, and he has been working specifically on freestyle in an excellent room with fantastic training partners. 

I do think he will be bette than he was before but i also think it puts him in that Marstellar range whereon any given day he can beat anyone but very susceptible against all the top guys. We can only sit back and watch and im very excited

[WillieBoy 713]

On 11/9/2019 at 6:01 PM, Crash said:

It’s ridiculous, but not surprising, that the entry list is not public.


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Yet we wonder why Wrestling is not a major sport or draw for fans?

Why would you hide the list?

Make it public as competitors sign up and encourage discussion and interest.

[jackwebster 102]

34 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Why do you think Cox is more athletic than DT?  Also, Cox has perfect technique and I have never seen him gas.

Straight up racism?

[VakAttack 2,617]

Lewis is kind of like Cox.  Extremely strong and preternaturally athletic.  But regardless of who wins, neither has the creativity, technique,  stamina, or motor of DT or Nolf.  Why can't people recognize these honest differences?  

Cox has better technique then Taylor, are you high?

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[ugarte 321]

Berreyesa with one for the Cornell boys. 

[ugarte 321]

6 hours ago, dmm53 said:

Lewis is kind of like Cox.  Extremely strong and preternaturally athletic.  But regardless of who wins, neither has the creativity, technique,  stamina, or motor of DT or Nolf.  Why can't people recognize these honest differences?  

you sound like a phrenologist

[spladle08 725]

5 hours ago, jackwebster said:

Straight up racism?

I think it is just a little tough to verbalize, and saying "athletic" is an easy default. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by spladle08

[spladle08 725]

Also yeah Cox is better technically than DT from the feet and if they wrestle obviously nobody sees Cox getting taken down and pinned....
So yeah... if its scramble season give me DT all day, guess it depends on this "technique" youre talking about

[nhs67 901]

Oh boy.

Love you and your contributions @spladle...

You're about to get $HlT on by folks who don't have the testicular fortitude that you do.

InB4Dat.

[Housebuye 2,076]

57: Garrett

65: Molinaro

74: Nolf (I picked Mekhi as ncaa champ early last season. iMar is probably top 20 in the world. Stacked weight, but that’s how good Nolf is)

86: Martin (Ringer is the favorite. I still think Martin was the best of the group last year and without a brain fart, would’ve been our rep)

97: Snyder next topic

125: Cassar (Fun pick. Easy to root for. He is an unknown in Freestyle. His power and speed may be a smaller advantage vs senior level guys than vs college guys. Can’t wait to find out)

when I get all of these pucks right, I’ll buy a round for everyone 

[nhs67 901]

Meaning you made a comment on two of the three no-go subjects on this forum. One(1) of the two(2) 'R' words and anyone being better than DT at anything.

Good luck. PM me your new username so I know to follow...

[spladle08 725]

57: Garrett
65: Molinaro
74: Nolf (I picked Mekhi as ncaa champ early last season. iMar is probably top 20 in the world. Stacked weight, but that’s how good Nolf is)
86: Martin (Ringer is the favorite. I still think Martin was the best of the group last year and without a brain fart, would’ve been our rep)
97: Snyder next topic
125: Cassar (Fun pick. Easy to root for. He is an unknown in Freestyle. His power and speed may be a smaller advantage vs senior level guys than vs college guys. Can’t wait to find out)
when I get all of these pucks right, I’ll buy a round for everyone 

I like em all! Dont agree with em but i like em :)

[Housebuye 2,076]

7 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Oh boy.

Love you and your contributions @spladle...

You're about to get $HlT on by folks who don't have the testicular fortitude that you do.

InB4Dat.

nevermind

Edited November 15, 2019 by Housebuye

[Housebuye 2,076]

1 minute ago, spladle08 said:

5 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

57: Garrett
65: Molinaro
74: Nolf (I picked Mekhi as ncaa champ early last season. iMar is probably top 20 in the world. Stacked weight, but that’s how good Nolf is)
86: Martin (Ringer is the favorite. I still think Martin was the best of the group last year and without a brain fart, would’ve been our rep)
97: Snyder next topic
125: Cassar (Fun pick. Easy to root for. He is an unknown in Freestyle. His power and speed may be a smaller advantage vs senior level guys than vs college guys. Can’t wait to find out)
when I get all of these pucks right, I’ll buy a round for everyone 

I like em all! Dont agree with em but i like em :)

I don’t agree with em either now that I reread them. Freestyle is hard. Help

[spladle08 725]

I’m ready to watch Nolf dominate the field and remind everyone he was robbed of the Hodge

You mistyped: Hidlay was robbed of a finals

[Housebuye 2,076]

Just now, spladle08 said:

3 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

I’m ready to watch Nolf dominate the field and remind everyone he was robbed of the Hodge

You mistyped: Hidlay was robbed of a finals

I agree, but Nolf was severely injured and Hidlay is senior level ready. I was surprised Nolf could hang at all, given his injury 

[spladle08 725]

6 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

I agree, but Nolf was severely injured and Hidlay is senior level ready. I was surprised Nolf could hang at all, given his injury 

Nolf is great, I just think his skill set doesn't translate to what you need to be a world placer. 
Admittedly before I saw it. I thought the same about DT and BO. 
I'm a huge believer (when it comes to freestyle) that scrambly athletes just don't translate. 
However.... DT and BO, both have looked phenomenal, who's to say Nolf can't do the same. 
My fear is Burroughs and Dake are so damn positionally solid and can "go out and get 2" almost anytime , that the Nolfness being effective there. 
And then that second tier of Imar, Mehki, Gantt, etc... may not have the same scoring prowess, but they are sound defensively, and 100% know who he is, and while the potential for Nolf to pull some funk and miraculous points out of his butt, is there, I think the potential they hit a few basic takedowns, try to avoid the awkward positions,  and win a 6-4 match is also there. 
I just really like straight forward offense in Freestyle from everyone not named CHamizo. 

[treep2000 901]

1 hour ago, spladle08 said:

Youre so clever.
I like Mehki over Nolf because:
He's bigger, junior WC, even at NCAA's won a much tougher weight last year, super stingey on his feet, and competent enough to not get turned.

Im not picking Nolf because.
Hes not a takedown specialist, smaller, no past FS results of note (yes he beat the people we expected him to last year in route to Imar), we still havent seen what this heavier verion looks like.

Love you, hilarious post by the way. Youre just so damn clever

Thanks bro!  Love you!  Lovin' all the lovin'!  

Still unsure why you felt compelled to throw shade at someone like myself stating that Nolf is a wildcard.  Given everything you wrote above, AND given that Nolf has some incredible wrestling IQ, does he NOT fit the definition of "wildcard".  At no time did I pick him over anyone.  Just stated he's a wildcard.  

Relax Francis.

[ugarte 321]

1 hour ago, ugarte said:

Berreyesa with one for the Cornell boys. 

And another one - takedown and 3 turns to move on. in 40 seconds.

[spladle08 725]

7 minutes ago, treep2000 said:

Thanks bro!  Love you!  Lovin' all the lovin'!  

Still unsure why you felt compelled to throw shade at someone like myself stating that Nolf is a wildcard.  Given everything you wrote above, AND given that Nolf has some incredible wrestling IQ, does he NOT fit the definition of "wildcard".  At no time did I pick him over anyone.  Just stated he's a wildcard.  

Relax Francis.

I had some beers when I maybe dismissed him as a "Wrestler of Note" I just think he is more Marstellar level than anything, he's 100% a "Wildcard" 
I guess with Mehki, I see the possible upside,  with Nolf and that second tier bunch (I've basically already jumped ship with my faith).. I see it as like "If Dake and JB quit today and anyone else made the team, we wouldnt medal" 

Sure thats not true, but Mehki is still kind of a senior level unknown, (his last international showing left a lot to be desired) and I guess I'm holding out hope with that "Wildcard" 
But sure, Nolf could easily be 3rd behind Burroughs and Dake, I just want a new medal threat to emerge, and I just don't see that with any of the "knowns"