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1 hour ago, WF89 said:

Is it legal for RTC’s to fund gray shirts?

By, "fund" I assume you mean "support or pay."  Here is the skinny: 

According to the NCAA manual, Article 12 on amateurism, they can be paid for coaching and clinics (like personal lessons) as long as their name and likeness are not used for advertising OTHER THAN being listed as an athlete/coach on the RTC or even private club roster.  This is also allowed for elligible student athletes representing the school (Non redshirt or RTC athletes, student athletes on the roster).  However, the payments must be paid by the actual lesson recipient or family member (not an organization or entity).  An example would be NLWC stating they will have sign-ups for one-on-one lessons with athletes.  you wouldn't be able to advertise for a specific athlete giving the lessons.  However, someone wanting lessons can request a "weight class" and hope you get who you want, and not just a member of the team.  As long as the lessons are commensurate to the going rate, it is legal, even when not in redshirt status.  THEREFORE, if in grayshirt, and they are in a coaching capacity, they can get SOME payment, but if they get a RTC stipend and are simply an athlete, it would be LEGAL, but they would not be able to come back to the team since they are not "amateur" anymore.

12.1.2.4.7 Exception for Training Expenses. An individual (prospective or enrolled student-athlete) may receive actual and necessary expenses [including grants, but not prize money, whereby the recipient has qualified for the grant based on his or her performance in a specific event(s)] to cover development training, coaching, facility usage, equipment, apparel, supplies, comprehensive health insurance, travel, room and board without jeopardizing the individual's eligibility for intercollegiate athletics, provided such expenses are approved and provided directly by the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee , the appropriate national governing body in the sport (or, for international student-athletes, the equivalent organization of that nation) or a governmental entity. (Adopted: 1/10/91, Revised: 4/27/00, 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, 10/17/19)

12.4.1 Criteria Governing Compensation to Student-Athletes. Compensation may be paid to a student-athlete: [R] (Revised: 11/22/04, 4/19/19 for violations occurring on or after 4/19/19) (a) Only for work actually performed; and (b) At a rate commensurate with the going rate in that locality for similar services.

12.4.2 Specific Athletically Related Employment Activities. 12.4.2.1 Fee-for-Lesson Instruction. A student-athlete may receive compensation for teaching or coaching sport skills or techniques in his or her sport on a fee-for-lesson basis, provided: [R] (Revised: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/2/03 effective 8/1/03, 1/23/19) (a) Institutional facilities are not used; (b) Playing lessons shall not be permitted; (c) The compensation is paid by the lesson recipient (or the recipient's family member) and not another individual or entity; (d) Instruction to each individual is comparable to the instruction that would be provided during a private lesson when the instruction involves more than one individual at a time; and (e) The student-athlete does not use his or her name, picture or appearance to promote or advertise the availability of feefor-lesson sessions. 12.4.2.2 National Team Practice and Competition A student-athlete may receive actual and necessary expenses and reasonable benefits associated with national team practice and competition (e.g., health insurance, broken-time payments). [R] (Revised: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13)

NOTE:  Athletes can get compensated for trips above "actual and necessary expenses" as long as the excess is less than $300 called LIMITED BENEFIT.  So there is wiggle room there. 

12.02.2 Actual and Necessary Expenses. Actual and necessary expenses are limited to: (Adopted: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13) (a) Meals; (b) Lodging; (c) Apparel, equipment and supplies; (d) Coaching and instruction; (e) Health/medical insurance; (f) Transportation (expenses to and from practice and competition, cost of transportation from home to training/practice site at the beginning of the season/preparation for an event and from training/practice/event site to home at the end of season/ event); (g) Medical treatment and physical therapy; 11/14/19 61 (h) Facility usage; (i) Entry fees; and (j) Other reasonable expenses.

12.02.8 Limited Benefit -- Enrolled Student-Athlete -- Expenses from a Permissible Source. If a studentathlete engages in permissible outside competition and receives expenses from a permissible source (e.g., event sponsor, club team) that exceed his or her actual and necessary expenses by $300 or less, the eligibility of the student-athlete shall not be affected and the institution is not required to submit a self-report of the infraction. (Adopted: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13)

 

Link to recent manual PDF:

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008

CAVEAT:  Most of this hinges on employment opportuinities made available to student athletes and limits advertising/marketing a specific athlete.  It provides guidelines for rates and payment HOWEVER in order to get the actual INTERPRETATION, you need to have a compliance account with the NCAA and login to see the interpretations of the rules.  When I was taking my Sports Law and NCAA Compliance classes, the Associate AD was my teacher for sports law (former compliance head) and she gave us a login to use...then we found out that was a "no-go" to share the login. 

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Old news but I just found out that Harvard and Brown created a new RTC: https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2019/December/16/Eierman-to-New-England-RTC

 

I note that every single Ivy Leauge school that has wrestling now has an RTC. First Cornell, then in rapid succession Penn, Columbia and Princeton (can’t remember if that’s even the right order, but who cares), and now Harvard and Brown together have one. Maybe the pssies at Yale and Dartmouth will finally pony up and fund teams to keep up with the Joneses (almost no chance, but one can wish).

Anyone who is still looking at the PSU RTC’s tax filings and thinks it’s this great read on the RTC landscape because the numbers look big to them and small everywhere else is not only barking up the wrong tree, but barking up the tree that’s falling in the woods that nobody will hear fall.... RTCs and their sustainability are all about who has the richest engaged alumni and how long those alumni stay engaged. No different than any major capital project at any university. Whether the NLWC has a few bucks in the bank has very little to do with it. 

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6 hours ago, wrestlingnerd said:

Old news but I just found out that Harvard and Brown created a new RTC: https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2019/December/16/Eierman-to-New-England-RTC

 

I note that every single Ivy Leauge school that has wrestling now has an RTC. First Cornell, then in rapid succession Penn, Columbia and Princeton (can’t remember if that’s even the right order, but who cares), and now Harvard and Brown together have one. Maybe the pssies at Yale and Dartmouth will finally pony up and fund teams to keep up with the Joneses (almost no chance, but one can wish).

Anyone who is still looking at the PSU RTC’s tax filings and thinks it’s this great read on the RTC landscape because the numbers look big to them and small everywhere else is not only barking up the wrong tree, but barking up the tree that’s falling in the woods that nobody will hear fall.... RTCs and their sustainability are all about who has the richest engaged alumni and how long those alumni stay engaged. No different than any major capital project at any university. Whether the NLWC has a few bucks in the bank has very little to do with it. 

Yeah I guess Cornell alumni must be smarter than PSU's.  Instead of putting their donations on paper, they apparently own a huge house and provide housing for people that aren't even Cornell students.

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