Transfer Portal

[gobraves101905 138]

I don’t get how so many of these freshman are transferring before the season even starts. There was a reason you chose the school. Give it time. Less than a semester isn’t enough. Life is tough. Gotta learn to live and work through the hard times. 

[82bordeaux 90]

It looks like this...

[Housebuye 2,417]

33 minutes ago, 82bordeaux said:

It looks like this...

I kind of hate this but also love it. It’s going to get wild and then they will change the rule 

[ionel 2,431]

Is headshuck still in the portal?  Surely it will spit him out soon.

[Plasmodium 2,218]

New rule should be folks are free to transfer at any time, but acceptance at the new institution must be entirely independent of the athletic department.

[ConnorsDad 596]

3 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

New rule should be folks are free to transfer at any time, but acceptance at the new institution must be entirely independent of the athletic department.

How about this: No matter who, what, when, where, why, etc.you must sit out a year. You can use your red shirt and you can still practice but if you don't have a red shirt you lose a year of eligibility. The only exception is if the head coach leaves that I think you should be free to transfer anywhere you want.

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

7 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

New rule should be folks are free to transfer at any time, but acceptance at the new institution must be entirely independent of the athletic department.

Good luck enforcing this. It’s like need blind admission.... great in concept, impossible to execute to good effect. 

[82bordeaux 90]

Wouldn't it be interesting if schools losing athletes through the transfer portal had to be compensated by the school signing the athletes in the form of scholarship? For instance, athlete "A" has three years of eligibility remaining and is signed through the portal by school "B". School "B" would lose one scholarship allowed for three years and school "A" would gain a scholarship allowed for 3 years. This or a fractional scholarship compensation would really make schools think long and hard about who they'd want to bring in, and it would help prevent programs from monopolizing all the available talent. Just a thought...

[WillieBoy 713]

4 hours ago, ConnorsDad said:

How about this: No matter who, what, when, where, why, etc.you must sit out a year. You can use your red shirt and you can still practice but if you don't have a red shirt you lose a year of eligibility. The only exception is if the head coach leaves that I think you should be free to transfer anywhere you want.

Makes sense - IF you also apply it to any kid in any department/major in the School. Chemistry, Engineering, members of the Band and Orchestra, Computer Science.

The students in sports are still students. Students in other programs do not get penalized if they decide to switch schools. Band and Orchestra members don't have to sit out a year if they move to another school.

I agree on the Coach moving on. The athletes should be able to de-commit and move if they want, but notice needs to be given withing a specific time. Say, a one month period? Then they finish the semester/quarter in good standing before they transfer. If not in good standing, they can still transfer but the year out of competition triggers, they lose a year of eligibility.

Maybe new recruits need to list three schools in order of priority "in case" they decide to leave - when they initially commit to the school? Then be limited to any of those three if they do decide to move on?

[LCpl Schmuckatelli 33]

Let them go to school wherever the hell they please.  Why exactly should they be penalized for going to a different school?  Because that’s not how it was in the good ol’ days?  

[Plasmodium 2,218]

1 hour ago, LCpl Schmuckatelli said:

Let them go to school wherever the hell they please.  Why exactly should they be penalized for going to a different school?  Because that’s not how it was in the good ol’ days?  

I agree with this - with a caveat that admission to the new school is done independently of the athletic department.

[ionel 2,431]

4 hours ago, wrestlingnerd said:

Good luck enforcing this. It’s like need blind admission.... great in concept, impossible to execute to good effect. 

Not hard to enforce at all, just treated like ever other student. You can't transfer/start classes mid semester, you actually have to qualify to be admitted, if transferring from another institution must have the pre-reqs, if grad school admition must take GRE and actually qualify no DIA 'assistantships' needs to be with a graduate degree program.  As such no worries for DIA enforcement as they would have no involvement in the process.

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

You are not living in the real world if you think the admissions team at any major university will not care what the coach thinks about an athlete whose principal selling point as a candidate is a particular sport. There is just no way you’ll be able to take all elite athletic prospective students and assess them purely on academics and non-athletic virtues. The college admissions process doesn’t work that way. impossible to enforce, since admissions decisions are, ultimately, subjective, so nobody can ever prove a transfer gained admission purely based on non-athletic merit. 

[Plasmodium 2,218]

36 minutes ago, wrestlingnerd said:

You are not living in the real world if you think the admissions team at any major university will not care what the coach thinks about an athlete whose principal selling point as a candidate is a particular sport. There is just no way you’ll be able to take all elite athletic prospective students and assess them purely on academics and non-athletic virtues. The college admissions process doesn’t work that way. impossible to enforce, since admissions decisions are, ultimately, subjective, so nobody can ever prove a transfer gained admission purely based on non-athletic merit. 

You are one cynical dude.

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

Let’s just say I have industry experience... good concept though. But will never happen. 

[ionel 2,431]

37 minutes ago, wrestlingnerd said:

You are not living in the real world if you think the admissions team at any major university will not care what the coach thinks about an athlete whose principal selling point as a candidate is a particular sport. There is just no way you’ll be able to take all elite athletic prospective students and assess them purely on academics and non-athletic virtues. The college admissions process doesn’t work that way. impossible to enforce, since admissions decisions are, ultimately, subjective, so nobody can ever prove a transfer gained admission purely based on non-athletic merit. 

Who is this magic "admission team?"  We are only talking about transfers and transfer decisions for students starts at the Department level.  Departments & Colleges have specific pre-reqs and requirements.  I know this won't happen but just saying to Plasmodium point it isn't that difficult or hard to enforce.  Simply treat like all students, no help or hindrance from DIA the student is on their own to find a university & department/major into which they may transfer.  It used to be very difficult for juco student to transfer into major universities, now there are structure pathway programs but you gotta follow the plan & meet the requirements.  Same would be true if attempting to transfer from major to major & especially problematic if currently "generally studies" etc.

[Housebuye 2,417]

31 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

You are one cynical dude.

Sorry but I think you are being naive. If it isn’t enforceable, nobody will follow it

[HokieHWT 593]

Let the kids transfer at will. People change jobs all the time with some having a non-compete but a lawyer can get rid of that.

[KTG119 820]

HokieHWT would you said same when Metcalf and rest left Tech? 

[HokieHWT 593]

7 minutes ago, KTG119 said:

HokieHWT would you said same when Metcalf and rest left Tech? 

I was not in favor of them losing a year but I understand why it was done. All redshirted, all got a lot of scholarship money, all left. All were given the opportunity to wrestle for Dresser for a year then leave free and clear. VT was looking for a ROI.

Remember VT was considering dropping wrestling after Brands left. It was close but Dresser convinces them they could become winners.

[KTG119 820]

Hence my question to your comment ‘at will’. Every situation, fan reaction is not the same. 

[KTG119 820]

And hey I am very glad how it’s worked out in Blacksburg. 

Edited November 24, 2019 by KTG119

[PSUSMC 312]

1 hour ago, HokieHWT said:

Let the kids transfer at will. People change jobs all the time with some having a non-compete but a lawyer can get rid of that.

Not only that, but coaches change jobs all the time and there are no repercussions.

If a student is getting money and decides to leave, I'd rather see it done before the semester break so at least part of the allocated funds could be used for other wrestlers - instead of on a redshirt that is just in the room and leaves after the school year anyway.

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

ionel, no offense, really, but you do not understand how college enrollment works at major universities. The admissions department admits or denies students overall, not just incoming freshmen, and the idea that they could operate in a silo, devoid of any contact with the athletic department, for considering elite athletes is woefully naive. 

Whether you believe me or not is immaterial. The point is that removing any communication with or influence by the athletic department would literally change the admissions process for every major school in America and even if such a funny suggestion were practically possible, it would not be enforceable to any effect because there would be no way to prove that a student was admitted because of his/her athletic skill. The college admission process just does not work in a way to make that possible and never will. 

[ConnorsDad 596]

12 hours ago, WillieBoy said:

Makes sense - IF you also apply it to any kid in any department/major in the School. Chemistry, Engineering, members of the Band and Orchestra, Computer Science.

The students in sports are still students. Students in other programs do not get penalized if they decide to switch schools. Band and Orchestra members don't have to sit out a year if they move to another school.

I agree on the Coach moving on. The athletes should be able to de-commit and move if they want, but notice needs to be given withing a specific time. Say, a one month period? Then they finish the semester/quarter in good standing before they transfer. If not in good standing, they can still transfer but the year out of competition triggers, they lose a year of eligibility.

Maybe new recruits need to list three schools in order of priority "in case" they decide to leave - when they initially commit to the school? Then be limited to any of those three if they do decide to move on?

The problem with that is wrestling is an extra-curricular activity, chemistry is not, engagaed in competition. Band does some but nothing like sports. It will never apply to students, only athletes, nor should it IMO.

Edited November 25, 2019 by ConnorsDad