TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 Their 157 field is stacked. Flo had projected seeds that would pit Teemer against Hidlay in the quarters. I think that will be rough on Jacori. They also have Colin Purinton projected to the 1 seed. What? 1 Nicky_Pipes reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicky_Pipes 22 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 184 has something like 8 out of the top 10 in the bracket. Love to see Hidlay get a shot at Zahid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 372 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 Just give me one surprisingly good Cornell performance. That's all I need out of Vegas this year. 1 NonspecificJargon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
go_rines12 19 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 Can someone make a preview weight by weight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 ugarte, FRL speculated some Cornell guys coming OFF their ORS. That centered around Max Dean and Vito Arujau coming back post Jan. 1. Do you see any chance of that happening? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 737 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: ugarte, FRL speculated some Cornell guys coming OFF their ORS. That centered around Max Dean and Vito Arujau coming back post Jan. 1. Do you see any chance of that happening? What weight would dean go? Idk if he has the body type to be a full size and effective 197 ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VAtoSC 32 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, Nicky_Pipes said: 184 has something like 8 out of the top 10 in the bracket. Love to see Hidlay get a shot at Zahid 184 is going to be a beast of weight class in Vegas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: What weight would dean go? Idk if he has the body type to be a full size and effective 197 ? Maybe they can bump Ben Darmstadt back up to 197? Put some real meat on that guy's bones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicky_Pipes 22 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, TBar1977 said: Maybe they can bump Ben Darmstadt back up to 197? Put some real meat on that guy's bones. I think Darmstadt is a 6-8 guy at both weights so i agree to bump him if Dean is back. How about Vito, Do you see him back at 125 or up to 133? Do you think he has a better chance beating Lee or the field at 133 to win a NCAA title? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, TBar1977 said: ugarte, FRL speculated some Cornell guys coming OFF their ORS. That centered around Max Dean and Vito Arujau coming back post Jan. 1. Do you see any chance of that happening? Wow! What was the rationale? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, pamela said: Wow! What was the rationale? 21 minutes ago, Nicky_Pipes said: I think Darmstadt is a 6-8 guy at both weights so i agree to bump him if Dean is back. How about Vito, Do you see him back at 125 or up to 133? Do you think he has a better chance beating Lee or the field at 133 to win a NCAA title? They were just throwing stuff at the wall. They spent some time developing the theme, but no facts to back it up. I have no idea on Arujau except that it would seem he took his ORS trying to fight for that 57Kg spot, so if he came back it would seem like 125. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funnyfletcher 29 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 125: Mueller, Schroder, Mackall, Camacho, Schwarm, McKee 133: Rivera, Tucker, Bridges, LaMont, Kinner, Sykora 141: Demas, Pletcher, Wilson, McKee, Red, M. Moore, Parker 149: Sasso, Degen, B. Moore, Thomsen, Zacherl, B. Lee, Alirez, Parriott, Purinton, 157: Hidlay, Deakin, Lewan, Carr, Coleman, Teemer 165: McFadden, White, Shields, Fogarty, E. Smith, Conigliaro 174: Steiert, Labriola, Skatzka, Valencia, Lydy, Womack, K. Romero 184: Zahid, Lujan, Venz, DePrez, Hidlay, Darmstadt, Bolen, Colbray, Hoffman 197: Moore, Sloan, Brunner, Davison, Schultz, Aiello, Lane, Orndorff 285: Parris, Hall, Orndorff, Singletary Here's some of the ranked guys who should be there. 1 KTG119 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, TBar1977 said: ugarte, FRL speculated some Cornell guys coming OFF their ORS. That centered around Max Dean and Vito Arujau coming back post Jan. 1. Do you see any chance of that happening? I could see Vito, but I would be pretty surprised if they took Dean out of RS. That would take him out of sync with Yianni and have him graduate before probably their best shot at a title in Yianni's senior season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sublime607 120 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, TBar1977 said: ugarte, FRL speculated some Cornell guys coming OFF their ORS. That centered around Max Dean and Vito Arujau coming back post Jan. 1. Do you see any chance of that happening? Not a chance any of that happens. And I'll add that the only question is does vito go 133 after this year and slide Greg D in at 125 or does Greg Beef up before he hits campus and take 133. I don't see him going the finger lakes route when we have a need. Knoll has a plan and hes sticking to it they all have to be on the same page for it to work. Edited December 3, 2019 by Sublime607 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 3 hours ago, TBar1977 said: They also have Colin Purinton projected to the 1 seed. What? Ranking Purinton #4 in the country is borderline criminal... or at least grounds for clinical examination. No offense Spey, but the guy won't even finish top 4 in this tournament. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 737 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: Ranking Purinton #4 in the country is borderline criminal... or at least grounds for clinical examination. No offense Spey, but the guy won't even finish top 4 in this tournament. Spey has gone off the rails with the way they do ranking, beat one guy and guys are hopping 10 spots passing AAs it’s pretty crazy because they are the official ranking of the big ten network and some are just atrocious Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: Spey has gone off the rails with the way they do ranking, beat one guy and guys are hopping 10 spots passing AAs it’s pretty crazy because they are the official ranking of the big ten network and some are just atrocious I don't pay enough attention to them on a weekly basis to really know but that one in particular stuck out. Kid was ranked 20th on 11/18, gets one quality win (in sudden victory) over Thomsen, and leapfrogs 16 spots to #4. It should work itself out eventually so it's not that big of a deal, but if your ranking criteria results in these sort of moves, you have some very obvious flaws in your methodology. Hopefully this one is just an exception more so than a rule, though. Probably the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 737 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: I don't pay enough attention to them on a weekly basis to really know but that one in particular stuck out. Kid was ranked 20th on 11/18, gets one quality win (in sudden victory) over Thomsen, and leapfrogs 16 spots to #4. It should work itself out eventually so it's not that big of a deal, but if your ranking criteria results in these sort of moves, you have some very obvious flaws in your methodology. Hopefully this one is just an exception more so than a rule, though. Probably the case. Cassioppi went from like 12 and now is number 2 over four prior AAs and mason Paris a lot of other guys, at 184 they have brands 6 and colbray at 7 even after losing to a Freshman ahead of a guy who pinned him in 40 seconds last year and venz, bonacorssi, Bolen just wild how they jump people 10 12 spots at a time but will leave a guy like colbray mason Parris has 3 wins over Stencel an AA who beat hilger for 7th and he destroyed Thomas a blood round guy 14-3 already this year, in what world is a 1 point win at Carver over hilger enough to boost him ahead of someone like that Edited December 3, 2019 by Antitroll2828 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: mason Parris has 3 wins over Stencel an AA who beat hilger for 7th and he destroyed Thomas a blood round guy 14-3 already this year, in what world is a 1 point win at Carver over hilger enough to boost him ahead of someone like that The world where Iowa breaks the 200 point land speed barrier at NCAA's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,006 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 Disappointed OSU isn't going to be there. Would like to see how they stack up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted December 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: Cassioppi went from like 12 and now is number 2 over four prior AAs and mason Paris a lot of other guys, at 184 they have brands 6 and colbray at 7 even after losing to a Freshman ahead of a guy who pinned him in 40 seconds last year and venz, bonacorssi, Bolen just wild how they jump people 10 12 spots at a time but will leave a guy like colbray mason Parris has 3 wins over Stencel an AA who beat hilger for 7th and he destroyed Thomas a blood round guy 14-3 already this year, in what world is a 1 point win at Carver over hilger enough to boost him ahead of someone like that All fair points. Overarching problem with each move being a significant over-weighting of single head-2-head results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,632 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 None of the ORS Cornell guys are listed and they show a full team. And none of them are listed on the OPC so I don't believe they could possibly enter. I'm assuming they're out of school this semester so couldn't compete until 2nd semester. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crotalus 463 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 Cassioppi went from like 12 and now is number 2 over four prior AAs and mason Paris a lot of other guys, at 184 they have brands 6 and colbray at 7 even after losing to a Freshman ahead of a guy who pinned him in 40 seconds last year and venz, bonacorssi, Bolen just wild how they jump people 10 12 spots at a time but will leave a guy like colbray mason Parris has 3 wins over Stencel an AA who beat hilger for 7th and he destroyed Thomas a blood round guy 14-3 already this year, in what world is a 1 point win at Carver over hilger enough to boost him ahead of someone like that Man, I hate to be that guy because I'm far from a grammar Nazi, but some attempt at punctuation would really be appreciated. You make some valid points but I had to read this about three times to understand it. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk 2 ConnorsDad and RealAmericanHero reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestleFan12 16 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Sublime607 said: Not a chance any of that happens. And I'll add that the only question is does vito go 133 after this year and slide Greg D in at 125 or does Greg Beef up before he hits campus and take 133 Greg D has a small frame. Vito is taller and lankier. I think Vito's body type would be better suited to add some bulk and go 133. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sublime607 120 Report post Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, wrestleFan12 said: Greg D has a small frame. Vito is taller and lankier. I think Vito's body type would be better suited to add some bulk and go 133. I also look at Greg as a career 125 but as we saw with Tucker and Vito it doesn't matter when a spot is won. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
