Luke Pletcher

[balanceseeker 108]

People love to talk about Pletcher not scoring points and winning close matches but that's 2 years ago Pletcher.  Last year Luke had more offense and this year up a weight he has looked fantastic!  A variety of nice leg attacks from the handfight/tie ups and great re-attacks and go behinds.  His positioning has always been great but now he score off his own attacks and his opponents.  His attack rate is way up at 141.  I'm very interested to see how he matches up with Lee but he looks to be a cut above the rest of the pack at 141.

[TBar1977 3,953]

Luke and Nick Lee has the potential to be a great match up. 

[NJDan 671]

It seems like Pletcher and Chas Tucker never really turn anybody. Are back points a problem for stocky guys. Did Molinaro and Tomasello have the same problem?

[KTG119 820]

yep no short guy ever gets backs. 

[wrestlingnerd 2,754]

Spencer Lee is short, even for 125, and is the best top man in the country. It’s harder but not impossible.

[NJDan 671]

Obviously it's not an ironclad rule.

But as to Spencer Lee, I don't think he is short for 125 the way Chas Tucker is short for 133 or the way Pletcher is short.

 

[hammerlockthree 2,083]

1 hour ago, TBar1977 said:

Luke and Nick Lee has the potential to be a great match up. 

you must be close with both the way you drop their first names....gross.

[hammerlockthree 2,083]

7 minutes ago, wrestlingnerd said:

Spencer Lee is short, even for 125, and is the best top man in the country. It’s harder but not impossible.

He is short but not squatty. I am not disagreeing with you, because i had the same thought about length being necessary for being good on top....but maybe he just can't have short arms or something. 

[Antitroll2828 736]

47 minutes ago, NJDan said:

It seems like Pletcher and Chas Tucker never really turn anybody. Are back points a problem for stocky guys. Did Molinaro and Tomasello have the same problem?

Molinaro was always tough on top ,even in high school he won 3 state titles and had 1 maybe 2 takedowns total in those 3 matches..being tough on top helped him AA as freshman with a 500 record 

[hammerlockthree 2,083]

2 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Molinaro was always tough on top ,even in high school he won 3 state titles and had 1 maybe 2 takedowns total in those 3 matches..being tough on top helped him AA as freshman with a 500 record 

He turned everybody as a senior with a figure 4

[Mphillips 873]

Molinaro is tall next to Pletch.

[KTG119 820]

Zain should have played basketball he was like 6’4” right. 

[hammerlockthree 2,083]

7 minutes ago, KTG119 said:

Zain should have played basketball he was like 6’4” right. 

you are missing the point of the conversation by a lot. 

[NJDan 671]

32 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

you are missing the point of the conversation by a lot. 

Yes, he is. He also does not seem to understand that height is a relative phenomenon.  KTG, try this: Bo Nickal and Jason Nolf were both too short to play in the NBA (Bo maybe was tall enough to play point guard) but they were both tall compared to wrestlers in their weight class. Pletcher, by contrast, is short compared to the other wrestlers in his weight class. He is not shorter than all of them, but he is shorter than most. 

Hope that helps.

Edited December 8, 2019 by NJDan

[KTG119 820]

Shoulda responded directly/quoted NJDan but otherwise hammerlock sorry if I missed the point. Thx for keeping me in line. 

[KTG119 820]

Y’all funny. I’m out. 

[balanceseeker 108]

I like the Molinaro Pletcher comparison.  Pletcher can ride guys and will turn lesser guys with tilts.  More importantly he can get out from bottom and doesn't get turned.

Edited December 8, 2019 by balanceseeker

[Mphillips 873]

KTG119,

Just be thankful five other people didn't try to explain it to you in every conceivable way with 2-3 paragraphs of explanations.  

 

[hammerlockthree 2,083]

Some conversations aren't for dumb people.....

[drag it 332]

5 hours ago, balanceseeker said:

People love to talk about Pletcher not scoring points and winning close matches but that's 2 years ago Pletcher.  Last year Luke had more offense and this year up a weight he has looked fantastic!  A variety of nice leg attacks from the handfight/tie ups and great re-attacks and go behinds.  His positioning has always been great but now he score off his own attacks and his opponents.  His attack rate is way up at 141.  I'm very interested to see how he matches up with Lee but he looks to be a cut above the rest of the pack at 141.

With strong March finishes (2nd 2x Big Ten, 4th 2x NCAA) at that stacked weight class the last two years he's been terrific all year so far -- and is a terrific guy, too, nice interview after the match (behind paywall), https://www.flowrestling.org/events/6562242-2019-cliff-keen-las-vegas-collegiate-wrestling-invitational/videos?playing=6609858

[Billyhoyle 2,025]

Pletcher is having a great year, but he still wrestles more close matches than your typical #1 ranked wrestler, especially against average competition.

https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/44636/pletcher-luke/profile

 

[lost 129]

How tall was Logan Stieber?  He had to be on the shorter end and was a beast on top.

[lu_alum 789]

He turned everybody as a senior with a figure 4

Bow and arrow, not figure four.


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[1032004 931]

4 hours ago, Billyhoyle said:

Pletcher is having a great year, but he still wrestles more close matches than your typical #1 ranked wrestler, especially against average competition.

https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/44636/pletcher-luke/profile

 

His bonus % is almost double what it was last year.

And the only regular decisions he’s had that were not against top 10 guys are against Stricker from Harvard and Baughman 2x.

[nhs67 1,225]

24 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

His bonus % is almost double what it was last year.

And the only regular decisions he’s had that were not against top 10 guys are against Stricker from Harvard and Baughman 2x.

Double of 34% is 68% not 57%.

Relative terminology to his own results won't work. Zahid, Hall, and Moore are all over 80%. Hell every other (active) #1 has a higher bonus percentage.