balanceseeker 109 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 People love to talk about Pletcher not scoring points and winning close matches but that's 2 years ago Pletcher. Last year Luke had more offense and this year up a weight he has looked fantastic! A variety of nice leg attacks from the handfight/tie ups and great re-attacks and go behinds. His positioning has always been great but now he score off his own attacks and his opponents. His attack rate is way up at 141. I'm very interested to see how he matches up with Lee but he looks to be a cut above the rest of the pack at 141. 2 misterc and Eagle26 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Luke and Nick Lee has the potential to be a great match up. 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 671 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 It seems like Pletcher and Chas Tucker never really turn anybody. Are back points a problem for stocky guys. Did Molinaro and Tomasello have the same problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 yep no short guy ever gets backs. 1 krippler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,773 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Spencer Lee is short, even for 125, and is the best top man in the country. It’s harder but not impossible. 1 MikePorcelli reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 671 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Obviously it's not an ironclad rule. But as to Spencer Lee, I don't think he is short for 125 the way Chas Tucker is short for 133 or the way Pletcher is short. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, TBar1977 said: Luke and Nick Lee has the potential to be a great match up. you must be close with both the way you drop their first names....gross. 1 Gopher82 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, wrestlingnerd said: Spencer Lee is short, even for 125, and is the best top man in the country. It’s harder but not impossible. He is short but not squatty. I am not disagreeing with you, because i had the same thought about length being necessary for being good on top....but maybe he just can't have short arms or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 737 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, NJDan said: It seems like Pletcher and Chas Tucker never really turn anybody. Are back points a problem for stocky guys. Did Molinaro and Tomasello have the same problem? Molinaro was always tough on top ,even in high school he won 3 state titles and had 1 maybe 2 takedowns total in those 3 matches..being tough on top helped him AA as freshman with a 500 record Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: Molinaro was always tough on top ,even in high school he won 3 state titles and had 1 maybe 2 takedowns total in those 3 matches..being tough on top helped him AA as freshman with a 500 record He turned everybody as a senior with a figure 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 894 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Molinaro is tall next to Pletch. 1 Cruiser94 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Zain should have played basketball he was like 6’4” right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, KTG119 said: Zain should have played basketball he was like 6’4” right. you are missing the point of the conversation by a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 671 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: you are missing the point of the conversation by a lot. Yes, he is. He also does not seem to understand that height is a relative phenomenon. KTG, try this: Bo Nickal and Jason Nolf were both too short to play in the NBA (Bo maybe was tall enough to play point guard) but they were both tall compared to wrestlers in their weight class. Pletcher, by contrast, is short compared to the other wrestlers in his weight class. He is not shorter than all of them, but he is shorter than most. Hope that helps. Edited December 8, 2019 by NJDan 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Shoulda responded directly/quoted NJDan but otherwise hammerlock sorry if I missed the point. Thx for keeping me in line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTG119 820 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Y’all funny. I’m out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
balanceseeker 109 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) I like the Molinaro Pletcher comparison. Pletcher can ride guys and will turn lesser guys with tilts. More importantly he can get out from bottom and doesn't get turned. Edited December 8, 2019 by balanceseeker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 894 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 KTG119, Just be thankful five other people didn't try to explain it to you in every conceivable way with 2-3 paragraphs of explanations. 1 southend reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Some conversations aren't for dumb people..... 1 stp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drag it 335 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 5 hours ago, balanceseeker said: People love to talk about Pletcher not scoring points and winning close matches but that's 2 years ago Pletcher. Last year Luke had more offense and this year up a weight he has looked fantastic! A variety of nice leg attacks from the handfight/tie ups and great re-attacks and go behinds. His positioning has always been great but now he score off his own attacks and his opponents. His attack rate is way up at 141. I'm very interested to see how he matches up with Lee but he looks to be a cut above the rest of the pack at 141. With strong March finishes (2nd 2x Big Ten, 4th 2x NCAA) at that stacked weight class the last two years he's been terrific all year so far -- and is a terrific guy, too, nice interview after the match (behind paywall), https://www.flowrestling.org/events/6562242-2019-cliff-keen-las-vegas-collegiate-wrestling-invitational/videos?playing=6609858 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,027 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 Pletcher is having a great year, but he still wrestles more close matches than your typical #1 ranked wrestler, especially against average competition. https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/44636/pletcher-luke/profile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lost 129 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 How tall was Logan Stieber? He had to be on the shorter end and was a beast on top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 794 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 He turned everybody as a senior with a figure 4Bow and arrow, not figure four. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 937 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Billyhoyle said: Pletcher is having a great year, but he still wrestles more close matches than your typical #1 ranked wrestler, especially against average competition. https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/44636/pletcher-luke/profile His bonus % is almost double what it was last year. And the only regular decisions he’s had that were not against top 10 guys are against Stricker from Harvard and Baughman 2x. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,226 Report post Posted December 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, 1032004 said: His bonus % is almost double what it was last year. And the only regular decisions he’s had that were not against top 10 guys are against Stricker from Harvard and Baughman 2x. Double of 34% is 68% not 57%. Relative terminology to his own results won't work. Zahid, Hall, and Moore are all over 80%. Hell every other (active) #1 has a higher bonus percentage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites