Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 I have been thinking about this a lot lately. And I am SUPER EXCITED thinking about the near Future of the HEAVYWEIGHT division. How about the Hwy field, in college and then the Senior level, over the next few years. In my opinion it hasn't been very competitive at all since about 05' and the years before, with Mocco, Rowlands, Konrad and such. Next few years after that, wasnt the best Hwys of the time. Then Nelson dominated for best 3 yrs, then Gwiz and Synder. And then last year it cracked the surface, Cassar and Gable. But starting next year, I believe we will have 8 guys that on any given year could win it all. And then another 5 or so to keep them honest and make sure they are always going their hardest. CASSAR- who may be back for 1 more year. GABLE-with 3 more yrs. PARRIS- Has looked awesome this year, a big difference from last year. Ranked #2 CASSIOPPI- a 2x triple crown winner, 20-2 unattached last year. And completely controlled Hilger this year. Ranked #3 COLTON SCHULTZ- 4X state champ, 188-2 in HS, Dave Schultz award winner, several time freestyle and cadet national champ. Took 2nd at Final X. Is in finals of the senior open tomorrow. KERKVLIET- 4X state champ, 3-2 loss to Gable in HS when he was 220. Jr Freestyle world champ. Looked really tough and lost a close one to Tony Nelson. 20 more lbs of muscle and another year under his belt, working with Cassar, Nevliss and Synder- SCARY. AJ FERRARI- P4P best HS wrestler this yr, f he comes in at 240 next year, wow. He isnt 220 Fast or Hwy quick, he Is Wrestler quick. He looks like a 65lber shooting his doubles. He could probably AA this year. Then, just a tad on the outside, because of weight class for Amos and size for Fernandes BRAXTON AMOS- hopefully he puts on 20 lbs of muscle and goes to Hwy. 3x Ironman, Super 32, going for 3rd Powerade and state championship, only reason it probably wasnt 4 for all them was injury. 5 stop signs from fargo in freestyle and Greco. #2 in the county at 220 and p4p in HS. LEWIS FERNANDES- 2X NJ state champ, won at FloNationals, 3rd at NHSCA jr nationals. Is 15-1 unattached this year, with pins over the #38 and #39 ranked Hwys. His only loss is to #31 Gary Traub, RS jr at Ohio state 6-4, who is also 15-1 while unattached. Especially if he puts on just a little bit of size, he was only about 225 when he pinned every opponent, except 1, to win his 2nd state title last year. And a second tier of TRENT HILGER- #4, with 2 more yrs ORNDORF- #6, 2 more years STENCEL- #7, 1 more year SINGLETARY- #10, who is 3-0 and probably should be top 5, 2 more years WOOD- top 10, with 1 more year ELAM- 4-0 unattached rd of 12 last yr, 2 more seasons And NEVILLS- the youngest, only 4x Hwy state champ in CA., 4 yrs of eligibility And then at the senior level, Dom Bradley, Tony Nelson, and Gwiz. But especially in college, I am super excited to see these match ups over the next 2-3 yrs. AJ Ferrari vs anyone of them right now. Parris vs Kerkvliet Kerkvliet in his rematch with Gable Cassioppi and Schultz, both very skilled at Greco Cassar and Gable again Cassar and this new and improved Parris Cassar and Ferrari Cassar and Fernandes, 2 Jersey guys, similar size, quick and very offensive Amos with rematches with Gable and Kerkvliet CANT WAIT. Wont even go into it now, but 97's future looks great too.... Cardenas, possibly Amos and Dustin Plott, Rocky Elam, Kyle Haas and more. WOOO 2 AZ_wrestling and southend reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
potentiallydangerous 225 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 Amos said he wants to be 197. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamStall365247 152 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 Can’t have three Penn State guys at NCAA’s. 1 simple reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simple 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 Your tiers are way off Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,219 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 AJ Ferrari is not in a better tier than Hilger. A high school senior isn’t able to AA at heavyweight. AJ is a good high school wrestler, but he is the weakest #1 p4p in years. I am still dumbfounded by that ranking. 1 stp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,140 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 Someone need to remind this guy that Hilger is a returning AA 1 potentiallydangerous reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mlbruem 138 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 Elam has 3yrs remaining Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigboi Trained 20 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 Gonna be gable and kerkvliet going forward. Then Cass third. In the future. Those three are electric. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 5 hours ago, potentiallydangerous said: Amos said he wants to be 197. Yeah. I have read that. I can still dream though. Haha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, simple said: Your tiers are way off Ohhhh. Ok. Then please share with me your thoughts and reasoning. Rather than just "your tiers are way off" I could have broke it down to 3 or 4 tiers, however. I was specifically speaking of those who are thought were frontrunners and then the rest that are a step or so behind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, SamStall365247 said: Can’t have three Penn State guys at NCAA’s. Ohhh. We cant. Well as you can see, I'm new to wrestling. So I didnt know that. Lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, mlbruem said: Elam has 3yrs remaining I didn't realize he was in his RS season now. Thanks 1 mlbruem reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, jchapman said: Someone need to remind this guy that Hilger is a returning AA Im quite aware of that. And I believe he will AA the next 3 yrs. However I dond think he will win it. This year, maybe a 3rd with the right seeding. However all the guys I listed, besides Amos, would beat him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Housebuye said: AJ Ferrari is not in a better tier than Hilger. A high school senior isn’t able to AA at heavyweight. AJ is a good high school wrestler, but he is the weakest #1 p4p in years. I am still dumbfounded by that ranking. Hahahah. First off, I didn't say he could beat Hilger as a Senior. However in 2 years and some size, I think he destroys him. Weakest p4p, hmmmm ok. Please share some facts behind that. 2 yrs ago he completely dominated Christianson, who was the #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ_wrestling 108 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Bigboi Trained said: Gonna be gable and kerkvliet going forward. Then Cass third. In the future. Those three are electric. Parris will be better than all of them. 1 nhs67 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) Kerkvliet just completely dominated Seth Nevliss 3-0, he stuffed every shot and the match before Destroyed Garret Ryan 10-0. These are 22-24 yr old men that this 18/19 yr old is beating. Edited December 22, 2019 by Rich-JerseyStrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,219 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Rich-JerseyStrong said: Hahahah. First off, I didn't say he could beat Hilger as a Senior. However in 2 years and some size, I think he destroys him. Weakest p4p, hmmmm ok. Please share some facts behind that. 2 yrs ago he completely dominated Christianson, who was the #2 2019 #1 - Kerklevit - multiple age level medalist, including cadet gold, only really lost to Gable Steveson 2018 - Gable Steveson - 3 time age level world champion, make final X at 18 2017 - Daton Fix (Spencer Lee is #2, Yianni #3) - all have age level golds 2016 - Mark Hall - multiple time age level gold 2015 - Zahid Valencia - junior world silver 2014 - Kyle Snyder - multiple time age level world medalist, including junior gold AJ isn’t even in the same league as any of these guys. He has a cadet world bronze - solid, but plenty of cadet bronzes don’t pan out in college. The same cannot be said for multiple age level medalist, like every other #1 in the last 7+ years (besides Zahid - he only won one junior silver) of those guys at worst places 3rd their freshman year (and Gable was a true freshman). Yianni and Lee won titles as true freshman, and Fix places 2nd his redshirt year. AJ is by far the least proven #1 in the last 7 classes, and likely more than that. or do you think he is ahead of any guy on this list? 3 Bigboi Trained, MDogg and simple reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Bigboi Trained 20 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, AZ_wrestling said: Parris will be better than all of them. Parris is very athletes and good but I think those three will be ahead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simple 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Rich-JerseyStrong said: Ohhhh. Ok. Then please share with me your thoughts and reasoning. Rather than just "your tiers are way off" I could have broke it down to 3 or 4 tiers, however. I was specifically speaking of those who are thought were frontrunners and then the rest that are a step or so behind. Alright! Folkstyle tier 1 Gable & Cassar tier 2 Kerk, Parris, Cassioppi After that it’s pretty convoluted freestyle tier 1 Gable tier 2 Kerk, Parris, Cassioppi Cassar would be tier 2 or 3. Not enough info Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,140 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, simple said: Alright! Folkstyle tier 1 Gable & Cassar tier 2 Kerk, Parris, Cassioppi After that it’s pretty convoluted freestyle tier 1 Gable tier 2 Kerk, Parris, Cassioppi Cassar would be tier 2 or 3. Not enough info You don’t think Hillger is a tier two folkstyler, considering he AA’d in folk style, and none of your tier two guys have yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simple 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, jchapman said: You don’t think Hillger is a tier two folkstyler, considering he AA’d in folk style, and none of your tier two guys have yet? No, I dont. He’s 0-1 vs Cassioppi and 0-1 vs Parris which was last year. Parris has jumped levels since then. I think Hilger is very good, but he’s tier 3 with some other AA’s who won’t ever truly compete for a title. He’s probably the best of “tier 3” guys though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, simple said: Alright! Folkstyle tier 1 Gable & Cassar tier 2 Kerk, Parris, Cassioppi After that it’s pretty convoluted freestyle tier 1 Gable tier 2 Kerk, Parris, Cassioppi Cassar would be tier 2 or 3. Not enough info If I would have broken it down further, tier 1 would definitely include Kerkvliet, parris, Cassioppi and Schultz. Next year, any one of those can win it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich-JerseyStrong 12 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Housebuye said: 2019 #1 - Kerklevit - multiple age level medalist, including cadet gold, only really lost to Gable Steveson 2018 - Gable Steveson - 3 time age level world champion, make final X at 18 2017 - Daton Fix (Spencer Lee is #2, Yianni #3) - all have age level golds 2016 - Mark Hall - multiple time age level gold 2015 - Zahid Valencia - junior world silver 2014 - Kyle Snyder - multiple time age level world medalist, including junior gold AJ isn’t even in the same league as any of these guys. He has a cadet world bronze - solid, but plenty of cadet bronzes don’t pan out in college. The same cannot be said for multiple age level medalist, like every other #1 in the last 7+ years (besides Zahid - he only won one junior silver) of those guys at worst places 3rd their freshman year (and Gable was a true freshman). Yianni and Lee won titles as true freshman, and Fix places 2nd his redshirt year. AJ is by far the least proven #1 in the last 7 classes, and likely more than that. or do you think he is ahead of any guy on this list? AJ might not have the accolades, but he is just as good as any of those. And has the potential of anyone of those. I havent seen anyone in the last 2 yrs hang with him at all. And I definitely see him finishing with 3-4 AA's and 1-3 titles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simple 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, Rich-JerseyStrong said: If I would have broken it down further, tier 1 would definitely include Kerkvliet, parris, Cassioppi and Schultz. Next year, any one of those can win it. Meh, one of those first three would have to jump levels again for that. Schultz is not as good at folk as you think he is and has no chance to win a title next year. Ferrari should RS. He’s not beating the top 4 anytime soon. 1 WF89 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
