Yianni / McKenna - Seriously?

[RED 52]

Seems everyone's afraid to call a spade a spade.  Take a look at the pic below. 2 awarded with 1 second on the clock.  Perhaps I am missing something, but everything I've learned over the years in wrestling leads me to believe the ref is smoking dope.  HOW IS THIS 2?  Please tell me if you believe otherwise, and if so, why?  I'm looking to educate myself.  Certainly looks fairly obvious that Yianni was SCREWED.  And please, this has nothing to do with NCAA's, so no need to even bring up your opinions on that match.  We've heard them already.

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by RED

[goheels1812 504]

4 minutes ago, RED said:

Seems everyone's afraid to call a spade a spade.  Take a look at the pic below. 2 awarded with 1 second on the clock.  Perhaps I am missing something, but everything I've learned over the years in wrestling leads me to believe the ref is smoking dope.  Please tell me if you believe otherwise, and if so, why?  I'm looking to educate myself.  Certainly looks fairly obvious that Yianni was SCREWED.  And please, this has nothing to do with NCAA's, so no need to even bring up your opinions on that match.  We've heard them already.

 

I wasn’t there but one thing I do know is in the past it’s come up multiple times that the clock you see on Flo is not perfectly in sync with the clock on the mat. Now I have no idea if this was the case here, but keep in mind it is possible the clock on the mat was different. 

[Perry 1,175]

I have not rewatched the sequence but did not agree with the call when I saw it happen in real time

[russelscout 1,573]

14 minutes ago, RED said:

Seems everyone's afraid to call a spade a spade.  Take a look at the pic below. 2 awarded with 1 second on the clock.  Perhaps I am missing something, but everything I've learned over the years in wrestling leads me to believe the ref is smoking dope.  HOW IS THIS 2?  Please tell me if you believe otherwise, and if so, why?  I'm looking to educate myself.  Certainly looks fairly obvious that Yianni was SCREWED.  And please, this has nothing to do with NCAA's, so no need to even bring up your opinions on that match.  We've heard them already.

 

I think its two.  Control of the leg and hip. 

[NonspecificJargon 9]

1 minute ago, russelscout said:

I think its two.  Control of the leg and hip. 

Agreed

Edited December 22, 2019 by NonspecificJargon

[klehner 387]

Just now, russelscout said:

I think its two.  Control of the leg and hip. 

Doesn't some part of Yianni's left leg, other than the foot, have to be on the mat for it to be a takedown?  If it were that simple, then merely lifting the opponents foot when the opponent is in a quadpod position would count as a takedown, and pretty sure that isn't the case.

A better shot would be a couple of seconds prior to this, to determine if Yianni's left knee is on the mat.

[Lurker 1,382]

In that particular still Yianni’s knee is off the mat. But what it doesn’t show is if it was prior to and then came up, hence why the ref currently has two fully outreaches up. So this isn’t really any kind of evidence. 

[uncle bernard 343]

1 minute ago, klehner said:

Doesn't some part of Yianni's left leg, other than the foot, have to be on the mat for it to be a takedown?  If it were that simple, then merely lifting the opponents foot when the opponent is in a quadpod position would count as a takedown, and pretty sure that isn't the case.

A better shot would be a couple of seconds prior to this, to determine if Yianni's left knee is on the mat.

His knee touches the mat in the same position. It's coming off the mat in the screen shot as Mckenna drives him to his butt. McKenna is behind him, with a hand controlling the hip, and supporting points down. It's 2.

[goheels1812 504]

2 minutes ago, klehner said:

Doesn't some part of Yianni's left leg, other than the foot, have to be on the mat for it to be a takedown?  If it were that simple, then merely lifting the opponents foot when the opponent is in a quadpod position would count as a takedown, and pretty sure that isn't the case.

A better shot would be a couple of seconds prior to this, to determine if Yianni's left knee is on the mat.

At 2 seconds Yianni is in the exact same position but completely flat on his butt with his leg underneath him. I tried to upload a screenshot of it, but it says the file is too large to post. I’m not tech savvy enough to find a way around it haha. 

[uncle bernard 343]

20 minutes ago, RED said:

Seems everyone's afraid to call a spade a spade.  Take a look at the pic below. 2 awarded with 1 second on the clock.  Perhaps I am missing something, but everything I've learned over the years in wrestling leads me to believe the ref is smoking dope.  HOW IS THIS 2?  Please tell me if you believe otherwise, and if so, why?  I'm looking to educate myself.  Certainly looks fairly obvious that Yianni was SCREWED.  And please, this has nothing to do with NCAA's, so no need to even bring up your opinions on that match.  We've heard them already.

 

I think you're letting your fandom get in the way here. From a neutral observer, McKenna has the leg shelfed, control of the far hip, and Yianni's butt and knee touch the mat before time runs out. There are better angles/videos where you can see the knee and butt touch before time runs out. This is a screenshot a split second after where Yianni's knee comes off the mat as he is driven to his hip (which does occur after time, but the 2 is already secured before then).

[Mokoma 268]

Agreed, it was a good call.  They are super even in any style it appears.  

[Witherman 354]

Your screen cap is too late off the top of my head. Two was the right call. 

[ConnorsDad 553]

Regardless of whether it is 2 or not, how can ANYBODY fault an official for maybe missing a call in real time if we can't all agree 24 hours later while running it back and forth or looking at a still picture constantly?

Edited December 22, 2019 by ConnorsDad

[lost 104]

It was a really close call, honestly I can see the argument either way.

[nhs67 892]

Meh.

The official made the correct call. Trying to base it off of a still is stupid. Grow up.

[RED 52]

1 hour ago, russelscout said:

I think its two.  Control of the leg and hip. 

The hip isn't on the mat!

[RED 52]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

His knee touches the mat in the same position. It's coming off the mat in the screen shot as Mckenna drives him to his butt. McKenna is behind him, with a hand controlling the hip, and supporting points down. It's 2.

Look again, McKenna is NOT behind him!  Never is until well after the whistle is blown!

[Mphillips 623]

17 minutes ago, RED said:

The hip isn't on the mat!

It was though...

[goheels1812 504]

59 minutes ago, RED said:

The hip isn't on the mat!

It’s clearly on the mat at the 2 second mark. You basically just chose a still frame in time to try and prove a point. Also you’re clearly a Cornell fan so I think your bias is showing pretty badly right now considering about 8 people are explaining to you how it’s a takedown. 

[Mphillips 623]

Clearly on both. It's much more fun though if we let 'him' continue...

[1032004 808]

 

[goheels1812 504]

 

Here’s the 2 seconds left still frame. Sitting right on his butt. Thanks for the video upload above (I’m out of likes for the day ha). 

Edited December 22, 2019 by goheels1812

[Lurker 1,382]

Where’d Red go??

[goheels1812 504]

5 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Where’d Red go??

Cornell board where people agree with him...

[Lurker 1,382]

3 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

Cornell board where people agree with him...

Nice. Well done sir.