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Kinda crazy.  Almost all of their best wrestlers are from Pennsylvania and Illinois.

PA: Lee, DeSanto, Teasdale, Murin, Young, Kemerer

Illinois: Warner, Assad, Cassiopi

And Marinelli is from Ohio.

 

What does that say about the state of Iowa's in-state wrestling talent?

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Kinda crazy.  Almost all of their best wrestlers are from Pennsylvania and Illinois.

PA: Lee, DeSanto, Teasdale, Murin, Young, Kemerer

Illinois: Warner, Assad, Cassiopi

And Marinelli is from Ohio.

 

What does that say about the state of Iowa's in-state wrestling talent?

Look at the high school rankings the last few years not many Iowa guys.

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5 minutes ago, TobusRex said:

Nothing. Iowa is a state with a relatively small population, like Oklahoma. Stands to reason the smaller states would produce less talent that the big states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.  

Iowa 500,000 high school students and Illinois 2 million high school students

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I think it says a lot about the recruiting team that Brands has put together.  While I wasn’t the biggest Morningstar fan as a wrestler I do believe he is an excellent recruiter and to be able to pull those guys away from PA and Marinelli from Ohio has to make him one of the better recruiters in college wrestling.

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16 minutes ago, calot said:

Iowa 500,000 high school students and Illinois 2 million high school students

The more relevant number is how many high school wrestling participants by state.

2016 numbers:

Illinois: 14223

PA: 9780

Iowa: 6512

Source: https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5067286-you-do-the-math-high-school-participation-numbers

 

So PA has about 3000 more high school wrestlers than Iowa.  Illinois has about 8000 more.  Given the relatively comparable number of PA vs Iowa wrestlers that doesn't explain why University of Iowa has 5/10 starters from PA and 0/10 from Iowa.

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11 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

The more relevant number is how many high school wrestling participants by state.

2016 numbers:

Illinois: 14223

PA: 9780

Iowa: 6512

Source: https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5067286-you-do-the-math-high-school-participation-numbers

 

So PA has about 3000 more high school wrestlers than Iowa.  Illinois has about 8000 more.  Given the relatively comparable number of PA vs Iowa wrestlers that doesn't explain why University of Iowa has 5/10 starters from PA and 0/10 from Iowa.

News flash PA high school wrestling is good

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8 minutes ago, unbiased said:

Combine Illinois and Iowa, do those two states come out on top of PA in talent?

From 1961-2011 PA had 504 AA and IL and IA combined had 592 AA

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18 minutes ago, unbiased said:

Then Iowa's (or anyone else's) small state claim doesn't really hold any clout.

Iowa's 2016 population: 3.312 million.  6512/3.312 million = 0.19% of population wrestles

PA's 2016 population: 12.78 million.  9780/12.78 million = 0.07% of population wrestles.

 

Although not directly relevant the percentage of Iowans who wrestle is close to 3x that of PA.

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1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Kinda crazy.  Almost all of their best wrestlers are from Pennsylvania and Illinois.

PA: Lee, DeSanto, Teasdale, Murin, Young, Kemerer

Illinois: Warner, Assad, Cassiopi

And Marinelli is from Ohio.

 

What does that say about the state of Iowa's in-state wrestling talent?

 

It says that Iowa is a subset of the United States

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1 hour ago, calot said:

Iowa 500,000 high school students and Illinois 2 million high school students

That really doesn't matter as much as it would seem. Dagestan is a small country/region, but produces many great wrestlers. The intensity of the competition is much more important than the numbers who are competing. 

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10 minutes ago, NJDan said:

That really doesn't matter as much as it would seem. Dagestan is a small country/region, but produces many great wrestlers. The intensity of the competition is much more important than the numbers who are competing. 

Iowa's population is just over 3 million, which makes 500K high school students a bit suspect.  Sounds like around 150,000 in public high schools is more like it; maybe 7500 in private schools:  https://educateiowa.gov/documents/public-district-prek-12-enrollment-grade-race-and-gender/2019/01/2018-2019-iowa-public

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There are a lot more variable that go into this. I have shared a few thoughts on the changes in Iowa high school wrestling over the years and how transfers have killed the wrestling in smaller communities, thereby diminishing the depth and competition state wide.

You also have much smaller schools. The average school size in Iowa is 370 and PA is 583. You may not think that is too much, but there is quite a difference in funding and support to larger schools. Larger schools tend to have more resources. Another thing that should be considered is the amount of D1 schools in PA. You have 8 different schools there that produce teachers and coaches who have D1 experience. You have 3 in Iowa, and not many are dying to go to the western side of the state to be apart of some school like Odebolt- Arthur -Battle Creek- Ida Grove where these farming communities are pretty much dying. I think Iowa will continue to have a few guys here and there, but they are a long ways away from where they were even 15 years ago. At that time you had Lewis Central, Underwood, Emmetsburg producing nationally ranked type talent and competing with very tough teams on the east side of the state. I don't ever see it coming around again for this area.

I remember going to watch districts at Emmetsburg one year in the early 2000's. It was standing room only and the line out to the street was so long they had to turn people away. Emmetsburg, Algona, Humboldt, and a few other teams were solid from top to bottom. I can't imagine seeing that sort of thing these days. 

Until there is a swell of grassroots efforts to build programs in small communities instead of becoming feeder schools and a movement to encourage ALL kids to try wrestling instead of celebrating the one stud who goes to 50 camps, is part of an expensive club, and wrestles at Tulsa every year, it will never change. 

Iowa is smart to establish recruiting highways to other states. They wouldn't even be top 5 if they would have continued to recruit solely Iowa.
 

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You have to eliminate almost the entire populations of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia from PA's wrestling population.

Travel to Iowa and most of Iowa is like PA, just with no mountains.  One could argue that much of rural PA is poorer than rural Iowa.  State College has a lot in common with Iowa City.

PA also has dead zones throughout the state that doesn't generate much wrestling talent.

But Iowa is definitely down when it comes to in state talent, a trend I see continuing throughout much of the mid-west which is purgatory to be an aspiring Big 10 head coach wanna be.

The ACC is in a position to explode if their coaches can figure it out, what is wrong with Virginia (UVA) anyway?

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On 1/15/2020 at 9:03 PM, russelscout said:

 

Iowa is smart to establish recruiting highways to other states. They wouldn't even be top 5 if they would have continued to recruit solely Iowa.
 

 

Absolutely. No way to be a national power in wrestling while in a smaller state if you don't recruit nationally. Maybe some teams in large population wrestling states don't have to go outside the state borders (PSU, Ohio State, California teams), but if you look at their rosters you'll see they all do. If you want to get the best guys, well sometimes the best guys are in places like Idaho, or Florida, or Texas and you have to go outside to get them. 

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These are some nice observations.  Everyone knows Iowa's population was quartered 5 years ago, just after Gilman and Clark enrolled.  Meanwhile PA, IL and OH  remained steady or even grew a little.  The University is now feeling the effects of that.

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On 1/15/2020 at 12:24 PM, calot said:

Iowa 500,000 high school students and Illinois 2 million high school students

Don't know where you got your numbers.  Around 375,000 in Iowa high schools, and 1.5 million in Illinois

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