Current SR P4P

[Perry 1,175]

This is what I think it currently looks like:

1. Cox

2. Burroughs

3. Dake

4. Snyder

5. Taylor

6. Gwiz/Steveson

7. Green

8. Fix

9. Zain

10. Gilman

11. Lee

HM: Dieringer, Valencia, iMar

[spladle08 703]

This is what I think it currently looks like:
1. Cox
2. Burroughs
3. Dake
4. Snyder
5. Taylor
6. Gwiz/Steveson
7. Green
8. Fix
9. Zain
10. Gilman
11. Lee
HM: Dieringer, Valencia, iMar

Seems fair

[Wrestlingfan1997 6]

This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure 

[steamboat_charlie v2 939]

3 minutes ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said:

This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure 

Can't tell if you're joking or not...

Lee is "for sure" better than one of our senior level world champs?

[AZ_wrestling 104]

Ringer has beaten some of the best in the world at 79, even relatively recently. Gable has never beaten anyone ranked in the top 25. 

[Lurker 1,272]

6 minutes ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said:

This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure 

Over which champ, of the combined 20 medals in the top 5 (13 gold), would you put him over?

[goheels1812 504]

6 minutes ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said:

This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure 

Eh Spencer looked fantastic against NATO and Vito. But that was his first freestyle competition in a long long time. Who would you move him in front of? He hasn’t beat Fix or Gilman head to head and those guys have accomplished more internationally than Spencer has. 

[steamboat_charlie v2 939]

13 minutes ago, Perry said:

This is what I think it currently looks like:

6. Gwiz/Steveson

I don't really understand the logic here.  Why are these two sharing a ranking?

[Wrestlingfan1997 6]

Just now, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

Can't tell if you're joking or not...

Lee is "for sure" better than one of our senior level world champs?

Spencer lee is an absolute monster. He is better than Snyder, Stevenson, green, fix, and gwiz. A few others are debatable. I see lee becoming the best ever though by the end of his career.

[goheels1812 504]

I really hope we get to see Zain vs. JO tomorrow. Knowing where those guys currently stand in comparison to each other would be nice. 

[goheels1812 504]

1 minute ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said:

Spencer lee is an absolute monster. He is better than Snyder, Stevenson, green, fix, and gwiz. A few others are debatable. I see lee becoming the best ever though by the end of his career.

Yeah this isn’t gonna end well for you. I appreciate the hubris though. 

[Wrestlingfan1997 6]

Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents?

[Mphillips 566]

Lee wrestles FS?

[goheels1812 504]

Just now, Wrestlingfan1997 said:

Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents?

Jordan Oliver decimated his opponents even worse (50-0). Why isn’t he in your top 5 based on criteria from one tournament?

[Lurker 1,272]

1 minute ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said:

Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents?

I ask again, which of the five world champions from this cycle who have combined for 20 medals and 13 gold at the world championship do you put him over due to his gold at the US OTT qualifier?

[Lurker 1,272]

Why do I feel like I walked right into the trap.  DAMNITT!!

[Perry 1,175]

Fair comments about steveson being where he is, I nust thinking freestyle him and gwiz are close (and thought it would generate some dialogue, admittedly).

 

I am sorry to say I forgot about JO and would have him and Yianni both listed as HM as well.

 

The guy losing his load on lee has already been called on his nonsense opinion so I will leave that one alone

[BTC 51]

5 hours ago, Lurker said:

I ask again, which of the five world champions from this cycle who have combined for 20 medals and 13 gold at the world championship do you put him over due to his gold at the US OTT qualifier?

It's a p4p list not a lifetime achievement list. 

1. Cox

2. Dake

3. Taylor

4. JB

5. Snyder

6. Fix/Gilman 

8. Oliver

9. Gwiz

10. Imar

HM. Ringer, S. Lee, Zain, Valencia

Once ringer gets adjusted to the weight and starts producing noteworthy results I see him being somewhere in the 5-8 range. I wanted to put Lee on here but more needs to be seen from him. He simply needs to beat better competition whether that's domestic or international guys which I expect him to. 

I originally had Zain and Zahid on the list but I remembered Gwiz has medaled multiple times to Zains goosegg. JO seems to be hitting his stride but this has been said before about him. Zahid has tons of potential and seems to be on the right track but just like lee I need to see more from him. Obviously him being in college still mitigates his opportunities to seek top flight world level competition but I suspect he is right there with them.

Edited January 18 by BTC

[Sublime607 112]

6 hours ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said:

Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents?

Your certainly not humble about your allegiance to Lee but he needs to show us more than just that 1tournament against domestic competition.

[dmm53 456]

92 KG and 79 KG are far weaker, newer and non-Olympic weights.  That has to be factored in.

[Cradle1 232]

8 hours ago, AZ_wrestling said:

Ringer has beaten some of the best in the world at 79, even relatively recently. Gable has never beaten anyone ranked in the top 25. 

Bingo.  Plus Gable has basically gotten pecker slapped the last two times he’s competed overseas... 

[pamela 1,334]

Graff? Also, I’m not exactly a big PD3 fan but he could at least make the HM list.

[bnwtwg 367]

Out of curiosity, why would you include Graff or PD3 as at least HM (top 12-ish)? Just genuinely curious, nothing malevolent.

[pamela 1,334]

They both have comparable or better Senior World level results than some of the guys on that list - like Gable, IMar, Fix. Like even PD has won a few matches.

[Lurker 1,272]

9 hours ago, BTC said:

It's a p4p list not a lifetime achievement list. 

1. Cox

2. Dake

3. Taylor

4. JB

5. Snyder

6. Fix/Gilman 

8. Oliver

9. Gwiz

10. Imar

HM. Ringer, S. Lee, Zain, Valencia

Once ringer gets adjusted to the weight and starts producing noteworthy results I see him being somewhere in the 5-8 range. I wanted to put Lee on here but more needs to be seen from him. He simply needs to beat better competition whether that's domestic or international guys which I expect him to. 

I originally had Zain and Zahid on the list but I remembered Gwiz has medaled multiple times to Zains goosegg. JO seems to be hitting his stride but this has been said before about him. Zahid has tons of potential and seems to be on the right track but just like lee I need to see more from him. Obviously him being in college still mitigates his opportunities to seek top flight world level competition but I suspect he is right there with them.

So achieving world championships doesn’t factor into p4p rankings?  They seem to be since you have the five champs in the top five as well. Not really sure what your point to me was.