Perry 1,188 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 This is what I think it currently looks like: 1. Cox 2. Burroughs 3. Dake 4. Snyder 5. Taylor 6. Gwiz/Steveson 7. Green 8. Fix 9. Zain 10. Gilman 11. Lee HM: Dieringer, Valencia, iMar 2 goheels1812 and spladle08 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spladle08 732 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 This is what I think it currently looks like: 1. Cox 2. Burroughs 3. Dake 4. Snyder 5. Taylor 6. Gwiz/Steveson 7. Green 8. Fix 9. Zain 10. Gilman 11. Lee HM: Dieringer, Valencia, iMarSeems fair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestlingfan1997 6 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said: This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure Can't tell if you're joking or not... Lee is "for sure" better than one of our senior level world champs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ_wrestling 106 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 Ringer has beaten some of the best in the world at 79, even relatively recently. Gable has never beaten anyone ranked in the top 25. 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,396 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said: This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure Over which champ, of the combined 20 medals in the top 5 (13 gold), would you put him over? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goheels1812 505 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said: This is disrespectful. Spencer lee is top 5 for sure Eh Spencer looked fantastic against NATO and Vito. But that was his first freestyle competition in a long long time. Who would you move him in front of? He hasn’t beat Fix or Gilman head to head and those guys have accomplished more internationally than Spencer has. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 939 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Perry said: This is what I think it currently looks like: 6. Gwiz/Steveson I don't really understand the logic here. Why are these two sharing a ranking? 3 nhs67, HokieHWT and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestlingfan1997 6 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, steamboat_charlie v2 said: Can't tell if you're joking or not... Lee is "for sure" better than one of our senior level world champs? Spencer lee is an absolute monster. He is better than Snyder, Stevenson, green, fix, and gwiz. A few others are debatable. I see lee becoming the best ever though by the end of his career. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goheels1812 505 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 I really hope we get to see Zain vs. JO tomorrow. Knowing where those guys currently stand in comparison to each other would be nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goheels1812 505 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said: Spencer lee is an absolute monster. He is better than Snyder, Stevenson, green, fix, and gwiz. A few others are debatable. I see lee becoming the best ever though by the end of his career. Yeah this isn’t gonna end well for you. I appreciate the hubris though. 1 1 Mphillips and silvermedal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestlingfan1997 6 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 707 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 Lee wrestles FS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goheels1812 505 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, Wrestlingfan1997 said: Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents? Jordan Oliver decimated his opponents even worse (50-0). Why isn’t he in your top 5 based on criteria from one tournament? 1 GoNotQuietly reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,396 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said: Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents? I ask again, which of the five world champions from this cycle who have combined for 20 medals and 13 gold at the world championship do you put him over due to his gold at the US OTT qualifier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,396 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 Why do I feel like I walked right into the trap. DAMNITT!! 1 Perry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,188 Report post Posted January 17, 2020 Fair comments about steveson being where he is, I nust thinking freestyle him and gwiz are close (and thought it would generate some dialogue, admittedly). I am sorry to say I forgot about JO and would have him and Yianni both listed as HM as well. The guy losing his load on lee has already been called on his nonsense opinion so I will leave that one alone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 56 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Lurker said: I ask again, which of the five world champions from this cycle who have combined for 20 medals and 13 gold at the world championship do you put him over due to his gold at the US OTT qualifier? It's a p4p list not a lifetime achievement list. 1. Cox 2. Dake 3. Taylor 4. JB 5. Snyder 6. Fix/Gilman 8. Oliver 9. Gwiz 10. Imar HM. Ringer, S. Lee, Zain, Valencia Once ringer gets adjusted to the weight and starts producing noteworthy results I see him being somewhere in the 5-8 range. I wanted to put Lee on here but more needs to be seen from him. He simply needs to beat better competition whether that's domestic or international guys which I expect him to. I originally had Zain and Zahid on the list but I remembered Gwiz has medaled multiple times to Zains goosegg. JO seems to be hitting his stride but this has been said before about him. Zahid has tons of potential and seems to be on the right track but just like lee I need to see more from him. Obviously him being in college still mitigates his opportunities to seek top flight world level competition but I suspect he is right there with them. Edited January 18, 2020 by BTC 1 cangemi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sublime607 112 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Wrestlingfan1997 said: Did you see lee decimate everyone at his last tournament against quality opponents? Your certainly not humble about your allegiance to Lee but he needs to show us more than just that 1tournament against domestic competition. 1 Tofurky reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 471 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 92 KG and 79 KG are far weaker, newer and non-Olympic weights. That has to be factored in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cradle1 239 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 8 hours ago, AZ_wrestling said: Ringer has beaten some of the best in the world at 79, even relatively recently. Gable has never beaten anyone ranked in the top 25. Bingo. Plus Gable has basically gotten pecker slapped the last two times he’s competed overseas... 1 bnwtwg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Graff? Also, I’m not exactly a big PD3 fan but he could at least make the HM list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bnwtwg 476 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Out of curiosity, why would you include Graff or PD3 as at least HM (top 12-ish)? Just genuinely curious, nothing malevolent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 They both have comparable or better Senior World level results than some of the guys on that list - like Gable, IMar, Fix. Like even PD has won a few matches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,396 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 9 hours ago, BTC said: It's a p4p list not a lifetime achievement list. 1. Cox 2. Dake 3. Taylor 4. JB 5. Snyder 6. Fix/Gilman 8. Oliver 9. Gwiz 10. Imar HM. Ringer, S. Lee, Zain, Valencia Once ringer gets adjusted to the weight and starts producing noteworthy results I see him being somewhere in the 5-8 range. I wanted to put Lee on here but more needs to be seen from him. He simply needs to beat better competition whether that's domestic or international guys which I expect him to. I originally had Zain and Zahid on the list but I remembered Gwiz has medaled multiple times to Zains goosegg. JO seems to be hitting his stride but this has been said before about him. Zahid has tons of potential and seems to be on the right track but just like lee I need to see more from him. Obviously him being in college still mitigates his opportunities to seek top flight world level competition but I suspect he is right there with them. So achieving world championships doesn’t factor into p4p rankings? They seem to be since you have the five champs in the top five as well. Not really sure what your point to me was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites