cangemi 220 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Spencer Lee anyway 1 MikePorcelli reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 536 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 I don't get it with Fix. The kid looked phenomenal when he won his Jr World gold and totally won me over as a fan. Since then, it seems like in so many of his big matches he just won't open it up (to avoid mistakes?), keeps his world class talent in his back pocket and then loses anyway. Not trying to be harsh on Daton but it looks like he is not interested in scoring big points in big matches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,175 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, NJDan said: Why is everybody denouncing Gilman? Didn't Fix do even less? No, he didn't. Gilman made one attempt at a re attack in the last 3 minutes and zero offensive attempts of his own. Again, I think the right guy won but to suggest gilman did more in the match tells me you didnt really watch past the first period Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 402 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 sounds like gilman is wrestling like a foreigner then... win the first and coast works around the world Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,760 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, jeffrideal said: I wouldn't say Zain dominated McKenna, McKenna was winning with 2:15 left in the match. He tried a desperation throw at the end and match score was lopsided at that point. Zain clearly dominated him. The only thing McKenna did in the entire match to score was the initial TD. The exposure that gave him 2 points he did nothing. That was Zain self exposing trying to get exposure on Joey with a head pinch. Then in period 2 all three of Zain's TD's he is very close to exposing Joey and another ref may have awarded him points. The last one Joey went straight to his back. Easily could have been 4. I thought the match was not as close at the final 10-5 score. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 639 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Perry said: No, he didn't. Gilman made one attempt at a re attack in the last 3 minutes and zero offensive attempts of his own. Again, I think the right guy won but to suggest gilman did more in the match tells me you didnt really watch past the first period This is just factually inaccurate. 1 Dondante88 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Ringer-Zahid is going to be so good. Really looking forward to JO-Bajrang too with Oliver firing on all cylinders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyum 235 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 4 hours ago, pa in taiwan said: Dake does not look good at 74kg. Too much of a cut. Running away at the end, looking gassed. You know Dake almost always “looks gassed” right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 901 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 It would not shock me in the least of Colon beats Gilman. This version of JO I am really liking, and I've never really liked JO or his style. If this is the new "him", then awesome!!! This version can beat Bajrang. Dake should win this in a controlled match. Ringer and Zahid eh? Question is, which version of each shows up. Zahid winning again wouldn't shock me at all. Ringer doing Ringer things and thwomping Zahid wouldn't shock me either. Going to probably be a close match, but I'm favoring Zahid this round, at this higher weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 1,572 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, nyum said: You know Dake almost always “looks gassed” right? Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 639 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Gilman has more match points than any other American competing today. 3 russelscout, Cementmixer103 and Dondante88 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matts1w 94 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Columbia_Lou said: Zane had 12 unanswered pts,the last 4 were sloppy,but Zane gassed him and dominated the last 3 mins. Hard to call stock down on Zane but stock up on Joey? I said stock the same on McKenna. The exact McKenna I figured would show up showed up. I am stock down with Zain because I was hoping this would be the breakthrough- the time when he beats someone who is world medal level. I really hoped he and Fix would jump levels... Maybe stock down isn't fair. But..yeah...meh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 What’s Colon & Gilman h2h record against each other? I’m picking Colon today. He can run hot or cold on any given day, like either plow through a tournament or exit early with a questionable loss. At least that’s the way I remember it. It looks like we are getting the former today. I think Dake will win comfortably thanks to recovery time. His opponent from Turkey beat Chamizo at last year’s Euros, right? So maybe it’ll also be a fun transitive property match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach_J 2,051 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, pamela said: What’s Colon & Gilman h2h record against each other? I’m picking Colon today. He can run hot or cold on any given day, like either plow through a tournament or exit early with a questionable loss. At least that’s the way I remember it. It looks like we are getting the former today. I think Dake will win comfortably thanks to recovery time. His opponent from Turkey beat Chamizo at last year’s Euros, right? So maybe it’ll also be a fun transitive property match. Colon needs a chance to work his gut wrench. He can be brutal when he locks that up. 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Witherman 357 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, Perry said: No, he didn't. Gilman made one attempt at a re attack in the last 3 minutes and zero offensive attempts of his own. Again, I think the right guy won but to suggest gilman did more in the match tells me you didnt really watch past the first period Welcome to Iowa vs OSU narrated by an OSU fan 1 Dondante88 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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wrestlingnerd 2,585 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Zain stock down is not right. He stayed the same. I thought he wrestled a very tough Bajrang really well but couldn’t close out the match with the lead and half a mine left. I really thought Zain was going to get him there. Frustrating loss. That’s more a credit to Bajrang than a knock on Zain. I was really impressed with McKenna for a while against Zain. After beating Yianni and then scoring twice on Zain in impressive fashion, I was hoping he had jumped a level. But Zain’s pressure and strength advantage was too much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 The Yianni - Zain - Joey - international opponents circular firing squad is kind of puzzling. That dude JO, though. <3 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 953 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 3 hours ago, VakAttack said: Almost like he's peaked for the world championship, not this tournament in Italy. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Vak you always have the pithy retort. Indeed. Not to mention this is the first time Dake’s been down at 74kg in a while. Could take some adjusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scramble 153 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 I mentioned in a different thread that I felt Colon would be a threat if he could make the cut. I am glad he is having a good tournament. I have always felt that Colon gets kind of forgotten about because he isn't flashy. The guy has always had a great defense and if he gets on top he can score points in droves. I think he has the best gut wrench of an American. Including our greco guys. I am not saying he will be our rep. I do think that most people who give up one takedown will end up taking the loss. If he gets 2 takedowns in a match I think everyone takes a loss. If he gets on top twice he is going to get a turn and if it is in the center it is going to be more than one. Compound that with his defense and that is a lot of points to overcome. Zahid is very impressive as well. It will be interesting to see how his trajectory continues between now and the trial. I still like Deringer to right now though. Either way, Cox or Taylor will be our rep. I think it will be J'Den. Gilman and Fix are always close. They have wrestled so many times the past couple years it is always going to be a close match. They know each other to well. Snyder: At the end of the day he will be fine. I have said for a while that I think he needs to take a break. After the Olympics I hope we don't see him again until right before the next Worlds. That dude has been going at it hard for 6 years now. The body can only take so much and if he doesn't slow down his body is going to break down. I really don't buy the muscle thing. He has wrestled so many matches the last few years there is gobs of film on him. Him and JB are probably the most scouted U.S. Wrestlers in history. Dake: I am with the group who doesn't take much from his matches. Dake has always won. Whether he scores a ton of points or one point. Like JB, when he needs to score he usually can. Yes, I know that it can catch up with a person but really the only time it catches either of them is when it is a top world competitor. In those situations I don't think it is low scoring from keeping a match close. When the top 2 or 3 guys in the world face each other the matches are going to be close. I still think JB is our rep. I don't think JB has lost as much as it is made out to seem. Is he a little slower? sure. But you don't get 5 golds and several bronze by not knowing how to win. 1 de4856 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Witherman 357 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Fix loses to China 3-2. Zero offensive engagements by fix in second period. 1 goheels1812 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,605 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Fix goes down to China in the bronze match, Micic wins 5-2 or so over Ukraine. Micic looks quite large here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goheels1812 504 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 Anyone that criticizes Gilman for being passive but not Fix can’t be unbiased. I just watched Fix score early against the Chinese wrestler and then shut down for the next 5 minutes until he gave up a takedown to lose at the end. 2 mistydawn and wrestlingnerd reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DuckFor2 176 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 nice shot and finish by Colon 2-1 after 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ_wrestling 105 Report post Posted January 18, 2020 US generally looking good today. 4 golds a real possibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites