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How to get a shollarship for wrestling when i live in germany at age 19 ?

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8 hours ago, TripNSweep said:

Not an expert or claim to be.  But I do know that foreign wrestlers who come here are surprised that even the top guys don't make much from wrestling.  In some places in Europe they think Americans get paid so well but they're pretty shocked at how little if anything guys make to wrestle here.  They think everyone gets Kyle Snyder or Jordan Burroughs kind of money.  

Well... Definitely more money than in Germany :-/ in the lower classes you can be happy if you get 20€ after competition for food. In the upper classes of the leagues the athletes get a little more money but it's not a lot, Denis Kudla won bronze in the Olympics and just received 10k.

An den Ersteller des Threads : schreib mir mal bitte eine Message hier, ein alter Schulfreund hat sich nämlich damals für ein Stipendium für Ringen beworben, bekommen und sein Studium dann auch in den USA beendet, vllt kann ich da einen Kontakt herstellen und er dir helfen bzgl Anforderungen etc. 

Edit Actually there is a German wrestler, Lars Schäfle, on a Scholarship for Wrestling at the University of Buffalo. Lars is the 2018 and 19 gold medal winner of German senior nationals at 86kg.

http://www.ringen-sbrv.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=354:lars-schaefle-in-usa&catid=11&Itemid=101

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1 hour ago, Graverobber said:

Well... Definitely more money than in Germany :-/ in the lower classes you can be happy if you get 20€ after competition for food. In the upper classes of the leagues the athletes get a little more money but it's not a lot, Denis Kudla won bronze in the Olympics and just received 10k.

An den Ersteller des Threads : schreib mir mal bitte eine Message hier, ein alter Schulfreund hat sich nämlich damals für ein Stipendium für Ringen beworben, bekommen und sein Studium dann auch in den USA beendet, vllt kann ich da einen Kontakt herstellen und er dir helfen bzgl Anforderungen etc. 

Edit Actually there is a German wrestler, Lars Schäfle, on a Scholarship for Wrestling at the University of Buffalo. Lars is the 2018 and 19 gold medal winner of German senior nationals at 86kg.

http://www.ringen-sbrv.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=354:lars-schaefle-in-usa&catid=11&Itemid=101

Lower tier programs are a better place for foriegn guys usually.  If they go bust, the admin doesn't care usually.  But if Brands or Sanderson gave a full scholarship to some foriegn guy who went bust, it would be pretty bad for them until they could unload him. Some guys could pan out great but no guarantees being good at freestyle means you'll thrive in folk.

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2 hours ago, TripNSweep said:

Lower tier programs are a better place for foriegn guys usually.  If they go bust, the admin doesn't care usually.  But if Brands or Sanderson gave a full scholarship to some foriegn guy who went bust, it would be pretty bad for them until they could unload him. Some guys could pan out great but no guarantees being good at freestyle means you'll thrive in folk.

 

First of all I agree with you but Honestly, I don't understand much from folkstyle and I don't know how good the Programm from the university of Buffalo is, maybe you can tell me that :) but in the case of lars schäfle I don't think it's the wrong choice to give him a Scholarship because he won two senior titles at German championships and represented Germany at junior//U23 Europeans and World championships.

In my opinion the German federation need to step up and create a own scholarship Programm to support our talents. If any German wrestler decides to achieve a scholarship in the states I'm totally fine with it but there should be alternatives in Germany. We only got 2 or 3 highschools with wrestling Programms and afterwards the "only" way to get any Form of scholarship to proceed wrestling is in joining the military or police. 

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5 hours ago, Graverobber said:

 

First of all I agree with you but Honestly, I don't understand much from folkstyle and I don't know how good the Programm from the university of Buffalo is, maybe you can tell me that :) but in the case of lars schäfle I don't think it's the wrong choice to give him a Scholarship because he won two senior titles at German championships and represented Germany at junior//U23 Europeans and World championships.

In my opinion the German federation need to step up and create a own scholarship Programm to support our talents. If any German wrestler decides to achieve a scholarship in the states I'm totally fine with it but there should be alternatives in Germany. We only got 2 or 3 highschools with wrestling Programms and afterwards the "only" way to get any Form of scholarship to proceed wrestling is in joining the military or police. 

Buffalo isn't a very good program, but I could see why they gave him a scholarship.  To them if he succeeds and becomes an All American, then it' a success.  Buffalo usually doesn't attract elite talent here to wrestle in college, so they need to do something.  If Lars doesn't succeed then it isn't a big deal because Buffalo doesn't have much success anyway.  They just burned a scholarship on a foreign guy who didn't pan out, and the only real negative of that is that they could have possibly had 2 or 3 in state kids share that scholarship instead of blowing it on some farshtunkener from Germany.  You'll only rarely see a top program bring in foreign athletes, and usually they'll find a way to do it academically so that their loss is minimal if it doesn't work out.  The last big time program I remember was Oklahoma State having the Russian Gegoev from maybe 7 or 8 years ago.  

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On 1/24/2020 at 2:41 PM, 77again said:

You beat me to it. The level of self assessed expertise of posters on this board is incredible.

I was an assistant college coach.  I helped recruit a team that won a national championship.  I had to scout other high level wrestlers and analyze their strengths and weaknesses as a coach and as an athlete.  I claimed I could tell if a guy could get a juco scholarship by watching him compete.  Why does that sound incredible?

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9 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

I think it is very presumptuous to say this guy has a scholarship.  Does somebody have first hand knowledge?

Recruiting at Buffalo isn't the best.They dont get to many events most of it is done online.Another thing is roster turnover they had 15 freshman this year.They tend to bring in big classes but don't retain the guys.When that happens you reach on guys hoping to find that diamond in the ruff.Lars contacted  D1 universities and found one willing to give him a scholarship good for Lars.So sounds like  foreign kids should contact Buffalo if they want a scholarship.

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On 1/25/2020 at 6:13 PM, olddirty said:

I was an assistant college coach.  I helped recruit a team that won a national championship.  I had to scout other high level wrestlers and analyze their strengths and weaknesses as a coach and as an athlete.  I claimed I could tell if a guy could get a juco scholarship by watching him compete.  Why does that sound incredible?

Having both competed and coached (also assistant) at the D1 level, I found it kind of humorous when you said to the guy from Germany to send in some video to coaches, since you could "certainly tell" if he was JUCO scholarship material by those videos.  For starters, any of us on this board could watch Brent McCalf in HS and know that he was scholarship material. But when you start getting to third and fourth tier wrestlers of the Junior College level, it becomes incredibly difficult.

I could show you some hand picked videos of a good HS wrestler competing against mid level guys, that would make him look like a no brainer for the BIG TEN. Then I could show you the same the same wrestler competing against guys a couple levels up in ability, and you might wonder if he should even bother with trying college wrestling at any level.  

Most college coaches I knew, and know, are not at all interested in some hand picked videos, and they will tell you that they want to see how the wrestler performs against "top tier" guys. Even then the best coaches and recruiters in the country still get it wrong a lot. If our young German friend has video of him in the Junior European finals, coaches will pay attention, but if he sends in video of him thumping some guys from his local district, good luck on getting anyone to even watch those matches.   

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14 hours ago, 77again said:

Having both competed and coached (also assistant) at the D1 level, I found it kind of humorous when you said to the guy from Germany to send in some video to coaches, since you could "certainly tell" if he was JUCO scholarship material by those videos.  For starters, any of us on this board could watch Brent McCalf in HS and know that he was scholarship material. But when you start getting to third and fourth tier wrestlers of the Junior College level, it becomes incredibly difficult.

I could show you some hand picked videos of a good HS wrestler competing against mid level guys, that would make him look like a no brainer for the BIG TEN. Then I could show you the same the same wrestler competing against guys a couple levels up in ability, and you might wonder if he should even bother with trying college wrestling at any level.  

Most college coaches I knew, and know, are not at all interested in some hand picked videos, and they will tell you that they want to see how the wrestler performs against "top tier" guys. Even then the best coaches and recruiters in the country still get it wrong a lot. If our young German friend has video of him in the Junior European finals, coaches will pay attention, but if he sends in video of him thumping some guys from his local district, good luck on getting anyone to even watch those matches.   

Yeah because JR. Euro finals is comparable to juco folkstyle, which they have no experience in. Good luck getting anyone with a clue to care. Sorry, but that was rude and I realize I'm being rude in return. 

OP asked how to explore the world and continue wrestling which they love, and this conversation has devolved into how someone can be Brent Metcalf.

We should all course correct and help out our friend from Deutschland who wants to learn and compete!

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15 hours ago, 77again said:

Having both competed and coached (also assistant) at the D1 level, I found it kind of humorous when you said to the guy from Germany to send in some video to coaches, since you could "certainly tell" if he was JUCO scholarship material by those videos.  For starters, any of us on this board could watch Brent McCalf in HS and know that he was scholarship material. But when you start getting to third and fourth tier wrestlers of the Junior College level, it becomes incredibly difficult.

I could show you some hand picked videos of a good HS wrestler competing against mid level guys, that would make him look like a no brainer for the BIG TEN. Then I could show you the same the same wrestler competing against guys a couple levels up in ability, and you might wonder if he should even bother with trying college wrestling at any level.  

Most college coaches I knew, and know, are not at all interested in some hand picked videos, and they will tell you that they want to see how the wrestler performs against "top tier" guys. Even then the best coaches and recruiters in the country still get it wrong a lot. If our young German friend has video of him in the Junior European finals, coaches will pay attention, but if he sends in video of him thumping some guys from his local district, good luck on getting anyone to even watch those matches.   

And you dont think other coaches beside yourself would take a minute to look at what the tournament or matches were, and determine the level of competition?  Maybe thats how you went about your business.  Its not how I did.

 

But when you start getting to third and fourth tier wrestlers of the Junior College level, it becomes incredibly difficult.

Again, maybe thats how you feel.  Both of my college roommates coach for the #1 ranked Juco team with multiple national finalists and multiple team championship wins.  I am confident in their ability to watch film, put it in context, evaluate the level of the opponent, and determine if at least 1 coach in the nation would take a chance with a scholarship.  If you cant determine that with video, thats you.

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Yes, I am willing to admit that I can't necessarily determine who gets a scholarship from a few hand picked videos. If you are "certain" you can, please post your phone number because I'm sure a lot of college coaches will want to hire you and pay you big bucks. Good luck!

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