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Not a fan of either team , but looking forward to watching this . Should be great . I really love watching wrestling when it’s not my team . No worry of throwing an adult beverage through my TV screen or my Dog bitting me when I start jumping and yelling . Good stuff .

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2 hours ago, Iscored2onu said:

 

141:  Lee via major decision 8-4 Iowa

I would like to think Murin can keep this to a decision based on Lee not really being a scoring machine historically.  2019/2020 is a different beast though, and Lee isn't being slowed down. 

 

I was a little confused by the belief that Lee is not a high scorer historically so I took a look at wrestlestat. Last year in the 28 matches he did not end by pinning a guy, he averaged over 12 points scored (and that includes the losses). He also tied for the most pins in the NCAA tournament with 3.  Based on that I would argue he has always been a scoring machine.

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1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I was a little confused by the belief that Lee is not a high scorer historically so I took a look at wrestlestat. Last year in the 28 matches he did not end by pinning a guy, he averaged over 12 points scored (and that includes the losses). He also tied for the most pins in the NCAA tournament with 3.  Based on that I would argue he has always been a scoring machine.

I was basing it off of results against top tier guys last year.  Mckenna, Demas, and even Murin.  He definitely puts up points, and I should have specified my meaning.  8-3 against McKee, 4-1 against murin, 4-3 against McKenna, 8-3 against Murin again, 7-6 against McKenna.  6-3 against Real Woods as a freshman.  My point was that I feel he will HANDLE those top tier guys this year by increasing the distance and scoring more points.  

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Nick Lee has 3 pins this year. 

In his other 9 matches, all of which but one ended in bonus, he has averaged just a shade under 16 points in each (15.9).  

That certainly counts as a "scoring machine" so far.

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12 minutes ago, dmm53 said:

Nick Lee has 3 pins this year. 

In his other 9 matches, all of which but one ended in bonus, he has averaged just a shade under 16 points in each (15.9).  

That certainly counts as a "scoring machine" so far.

That's my point.....I said historically he hadn't been...when comparing against top guys.  I think he's surpassed others. 

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1 hour ago, Iscored2onu said:

I was basing it off of results against top tier guys last year.  Mckenna, Demas, and even Murin.  He definitely puts up points, and I should have specified my meaning.  8-3 against McKee, 4-1 against murin, 4-3 against McKenna, 8-3 against Murin again, 7-6 against McKenna.  6-3 against Real Woods as a freshman.  My point was that I feel he will HANDLE those top tier guys this year by increasing the distance and scoring more points.  

You are exactly right in your assessment. Nick Lee last year was NOT a scoring machine of the type we see in him this year. He has consistently put up big points in every match this year, as opposed to last year, where he pulled out a number of close ones.  He also had a great showing at Senior Nationals. He has become a force. 

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10 hours ago, Iscored2onu said:

I was basing it off of results against top tier guys last year.  Mckenna, Demas, and even Murin.  He definitely puts up points, and I should have specified my meaning.  8-3 against McKee, 4-1 against murin, 4-3 against McKenna, 8-3 against Murin again, 7-6 against McKenna.  6-3 against Real Woods as a freshman.  My point was that I feel he will HANDLE those top tier guys this year by increasing the distance and scoring more points.  

I get it, I just don't think it is correct.

The counter point would be he pinned 3 guys in the NCAA tournament last year. If that aint high scoring against top guys I am not sure what is.

Also, those point totals above against the best guys represent big numbers in a relative sense. When else did McKenna give up 7 points last year? Once to Yianni and once in a 24-9 catch and release fest. The 8 Lee scored against Murin was the most points Murin gave up last year in any match, win or lose (expect maybe when he got pinned by Luigs). In the loss to Demas Lee scored 9 which was again, the most points Demas gave up in a match win or lose last year.

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Nick Lee also kicked the crap out of Eirmann in freestyle recently. He has definitely jumped levels. I honestly do not think Eirmann could beat either Lee or Pletcher right now, maybe his oly RS was a blessing to get at least one of them to graduate

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2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I get it, I just don't think it is correct.

The counter point would be he pinned 3 guys in the NCAA tournament last year. If that aint high scoring against top guys I am not sure what is.

Also, those point totals above against the best guys represent big numbers in a relative sense. When else did McKenna give up 7 points last year? Once to Yianni and once in a 24-9 catch and release fest. The 8 Lee scored against Murin was the most points Murin gave up last year in any match, win or lose (expect maybe when he got pinned by Luigs). In the loss to Demas Lee scored 9 which was again, the most points Demas gave up in a match win or lose last year.

You're arguing a point I am not disagreeing with lol.  I as just saying that Lee has increased the distance between top level guys...Not sure what you're trying to prove here.  I said I could have stated it more effectively. My point is:  This year, he is on another level, in my opinion.  If you don't agree...great lol

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2 hours ago, Perry said:

Nick Lee also kicked the crap out of Eirmann in freestyle recently. He has definitely jumped levels. I honestly do not think Eirmann could beat either Lee or Pletcher right now, maybe his oly RS was a blessing to get at least one of them to graduate

I agree completely.  And that is my point.  I think he has widened the gap and is a new beast.  

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2 hours ago, Perry said:

Nick Lee also kicked the crap out of Eirmann in freestyle recently. He has definitely jumped levels. I honestly do not think Eirmann could beat either Lee or Pletcher right now, maybe his oly RS was a blessing to get at least one of them to graduate

I understand Lee being a favorite over Eierman now, as he really seems to have taken a step up, and did handle him recently in freestyle. I'm not buying Pletcher as a favorite over him, though. Eierman took 2/3 from him in freestyle this past summer, and is incredibly tough to score on with the straight forward pressure that Pletcher employs. Lee and Pletcher are beating up on a weak weight class and suddenly we've forgotten how good Eierman, and especially Yianni are. In the end, Woods could be this year's Mekhi Lewis and beat both of them.

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2 hours ago, Iscored2onu said:

You're arguing a point I am not disagreeing with lol.  I as just saying that Lee has increased the distance between top level guys...Not sure what you're trying to prove here.  I said I could have stated it more effectively. My point is:  This year, he is on another level, in my opinion.  If you don't agree...great lol

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3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

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that was a bad insert of a GIF featuring an awkward handshake. Would have been hilarious, honest.

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Wrestling Stats comparison by weight with their predictions. I think their system gets it significantly wrong at 184, 197, and 285, not so much with the outcome, but more so with the scores not being close. Although I posted my "wishful" prediction earlier in this thread, I also think this is perhaps more of an uphill battle for Penn State than the uphill battle they faced against tOSU in Rec Hall two years ago.

125 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/56935/meredith-brandon/49146/lee-spencer
Spencer Lee over Brandon Meredith 17 - 1 TF

133 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49665/bravo-young-roman/49117/desanto-austin
Austin DeSanto over Roman Bravo-Young 7 - 6

141 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49276/lee-nick/49148/murin-max
Nick Lee over Max Murin 8 - 6

149 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49156/verkleeren-jarod/39919/lugo-patricio
Patricio Lugo over Jarod Verkleeren 8 - 4

157 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49277/berge-brady/44572/young-kaleb
Kaleb Young over Brady Berge 8 - 3

165 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/39542/joseph-vincenzo/44574/marinelli-alex
Vincenzo Joseph over Alex Marinelli 7 - 4

174 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44839/hall-mark/39526/kemerer-michael
Mark Hall over Michael Kemerer 7 - 3

184 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/54280/brooks-aaron/56936/assad-abe
Abe Assad over Aaron Brooks 10 - 3

197 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/20305/rasheed-shakur/49151/warner-jacob
Shakur Rasheed over Jacob Warner 12 - 3 MD

285 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/50625/nevills-seth/50650/cassioppi-anthony
Anthony Cassioppi over Seth Nevills 17 - 3 MD

Edited by skikayaker

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15 minutes ago, skikayaker said:

Wrestling Stats comparison by weight with their predictions. I think their system gets it significantly wrong at 184, 197, and 285, not so much with the outcome, but more so with the scores not being close. Although I posted my "wishful" prediction earlier in this thread, I also think this is perhaps more of an uphill battle for Penn State than the uphill battle they faced against tOSU in Rec Hall two years ago.

125 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/56935/meredith-brandon/49146/lee-spencer
Spencer Lee over Brandon Meredith 17 - 1 TF

133 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49665/bravo-young-roman/49117/desanto-austin
Austin DeSanto over Roman Bravo-Young 7 - 6

141 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49276/lee-nick/49148/murin-max
Nick Lee over Max Murin 8 - 6

149 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49156/verkleeren-jarod/39919/lugo-patricio
Patricio Lugo over Jarod Verkleeren 8 - 4

157 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49277/berge-brady/44572/young-kaleb
Kaleb Young over Brady Berge 8 - 3

165 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/39542/joseph-vincenzo/44574/marinelli-alex
Vincenzo Joseph over Alex Marinelli 7 - 4

174 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44839/hall-mark/39526/kemerer-michael
Mark Hall over Michael Kemerer 7 - 3

184 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/54280/brooks-aaron/56936/assad-abe
Abe Assad over Aaron Brooks 10 - 3

197 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/20305/rasheed-shakur/49151/warner-jacob
Shakur Rasheed over Jacob Warner 12 - 3 MD

285 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/50625/nevills-seth/50650/cassioppi-anthony
Anthony Cassioppi over Seth Nevills 17 - 3 MD

Assad beating Brooks by 7?  Cass over Nevills by 14?  Rasheed by 9?  Those are pretty crazy predictions.  I agree with you that the scores may be off a bit ;)  I'd love to see Cass almost tech Nevills haha. 

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18 hours ago, pa in taiwan said:

That's a good realistic take on the dual. The thing about this dual is that it could swing either way, and in my view, your prediction is a small swing toward favoring PSU, and I'm a Pa. boy. Push that swing a bit farther and RBY upsets DeSanto (I don't see this) and Shak takes Warner and PSU wins it. That would be mad Nittany Lion blue and white tinted glasses. It could swing the other way and we will see a blowout by Iowa, not unrealistic considering the location of the dual in CHA. There are so many factors in the dual. I hope it's a close dual, and it really is good for college wrestling, as Iowa has certainly put a formidable squad on the mat this year. They seem to be cultivating the correct attitude, both as a team and among the individual wrestlers. Props to Tom and Terry Brands. 

You're a PA boy but PA is in Iowa right now.

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Iowa wins 7/10

 

125 - Lee FALL Meredith 6-0 Iowa

133 - Desanto MDEC RBY 10-0 Iowa

141 - Lee TF Happel 10-5 Iowa (Murin quack quack) 

149 - Lugo DEC Verk 13-5 Iowa

157 - Young DEC Pipher 16-5 Iowa

165 - Joseph DEC Marinelli 16-9

174 - Hall DEC Kemerererer 16-12

184 - Assad DEC Brooks 19-12

197 - Warner DEC Rasheed 22-12

285 - Cassioppi DEC Nevills 25-12

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This is an exciting dual.  Hopefully, it willl follow the script and be 7/3, however......

Neither 285 is really proven at this point, so there is the possibility of an upset there.  Rasheed, Shakur is a pinner.  Kemererer is in Hall's league.  Definite wiggle room.

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1 minute ago, Plasmodium said:

This is an exciting dual.  Hopefully, it willl follow the script and be 7/3, however......

Neither 285 is really proven at this point, so there is the possibility of an upset there.  Rasheed Shakur is a pinner.  Kemererer is in Hall's league.  Definite wiggle room.

Has he ever pinned Shakur Rasheed?

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2 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

This is an exciting dual.  Hopefully, it willl follow the script and be 7/3, however......

Neither 285 is really proven at this point, so there is the possibility of an upset there.  Rasheed, Shakur is a pinner.  Kemererer is in Hall's league.  Definite wiggle room.

Uh, Cass isn't proven? He's beaten Hilger and Stencel this year.

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10 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Iowa wins 7/10

 

125 - Lee FALL Meredith 6-0 Iowa

133 - Desanto MDEC RBY 10-0 Iowa

141 - Lee TF Happel 10-5 Iowa (Murin quack quack) 

149 - Lugo DEC Verk 13-5 Iowa

157 - Young DEC Pipher 16-5 Iowa

165 - Joseph DEC Marinelli 16-9

174 - Hall DEC Kemerererer 16-12

184 - Assad DEC Brooks 19-12

197 - Warner DEC Rasheed 22-12

285 - Cassioppi DEC Nevills 25-12

Murin quack quack? Meh.

I see a guy with a massive shoulder brace. Clearly there is an issue with the shoulder. No sport is harder on the shoulders than wrestling. None are even close. Last week on FRL Askren demonstrated how he could not touch the back of his head with his right hand because of the abuse on his shoulders over the year.

With that massive brace on his shoulder calling a missed match a duck is lazy.

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