Michigan State beats Wisconsin

[MagnetBack 65]

Not a shocking result, but still a nice win for the Michigan State program. 

[goheels1812 676]

Wow. What a great win for Michigan State.  I definitely would not have expected that. 

[Housebuye 2,437]

That is a shocking result. Glad Hilger was back on the mat. He looked good

[lost 146]

That is pretty shocking to be honest.  Good for MSU

[Gantry 1,872]

#TeamDefinitelyShocking

[russelscout 1,573]

11 minutes ago, MagnetBack said:

Not a shocking result, but still a nice win for the Michigan State program. 

Yah, Im pretty shocked. Congrats to MSU and Coach Chandler. When he was hired as head coach, I dont think many of us would have predicted a win like this.

[Sheerstress 168]

Chandler is slowly but surely getting the Spartan program back where it should be.  Great win!

[potentiallydangerous 413]

Congrats, but Tristan Moran didn't wrestle, so there's that.

[whaletail 240]

58 minutes ago, MagnetBack said:

Not a shocking result, but still a nice win for the Michigan State program. 

I'm shocked!

Edited February 9, 2020 by whaletail

[10point 15]

State has lost some close ones. Finally they won those. they could have  2-3 more wins in the big 10 this year. they compete all 7 minutes now 

[whaletail 240]

21 minutes ago, potentiallydangerous said:

Congrats, but Tristan Moran didn't wrestle, so there's that.

I wouldn't have expected that to matter, honestly.

[potentiallydangerous 413]

11 minutes ago, whaletail said:

I wouldn't have expected that to matter, honestly.

Thanks, that made me LOL.

[nhs67 2,059]

Just now, potentiallydangerous said:

Thanks, that made me LOL.

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If he had taken the mat hurt you think it would have still mattered?

[potentiallydangerous 413]

4 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

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If he had taken the mat hurt you think it would have still mattered?

No, if he took the mat healthy it would have. Does everything on the internet have to be explained piece by piece? I guess I should have just said it would have been different if Moran were not injured.

[Housebuye 2,437]

4 minutes ago, potentiallydangerous said:

No, if he took the mat healthy it would have. Does everything on the internet have to be explained piece by piece? I guess I should have just said it would have been different if Moran were not injured.

What you are saying is accurate, but most duals have starters missing. 
  
If half the lineup was out, fine. It would somewhat temper the value of the win. 1 starter out? I don’t think it’s fair to assume Wisconsin would’ve won. 

[goheels1812 676]

Even without Moran, Wisconsin is still a heavy favorite in that match. Michigan State showed up to scrap and should be congratulated for their efforts, regardless of if Wisconsin was missing 1 starter. 
 

Related: name one team in the country that has rolled out the same 10 starters every single match this year. Injuries happen, it’s part of the sport. This is still a head scratcher of a loss for the badgers. It happens sometimes.

[Housebuye 2,437]

4 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

Even without Moran, Wisconsin is still a heavy favorite in that match. Michigan State showed up to scrap and should be congratulated for their efforts, regardless of if Wisconsin was missing 1 starter. 
 

Related: name one team in the country that has rolled out the same 10 starters every single match this year. Injuries happen, it’s part of the sport. This is still a head scratcher of a loss for the badgers. It happens sometimes.

Yup 100%
 

I also don’t think it matters much in terms of the post season. I don’t think anyone has Sebastian a real chance at AAing, and he is the only one that lost that was ranked. 
  
Wisconsin needs high placements from Gross, Hilger, and Wick, then 1 or 2 more, to make the podium. They realistically have a shot at 141 and 149. Nobody else is AAing. 
  
They need a near perfect performance to make the podium. They have the firepower if everyone delivers 

[goheels1812 676]

3 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

Yup 100%
 

I also don’t think it matters much in terms of the post season. I don’t think anyone has Sebastian a real chance at AAing, and he is the only one that lost that was ranked. 
  
Wisconsin needs high placements from Gross, Hilger, and Wick, then 1 or 2 more, to make the podium. They realistically have a shot at 141 and 149. Nobody else is AAing. 
  
They need a near perfect performance to make the podium. They have the firepower if everyone delivers 

Yeah agree with all of this. I’m not a huge believer that they have a chance to AA at 149. 141 I think has a pretty decent shot depending on how Morans draw is and if he’s back healthy. 
 

More than anything else, this is just a huge confidence builder for Sparty and a little bit of a gut punch for Wisconsin. It won’t mean much more than that though. 

[Michigan wrestling 43]

Big win and pin at 174 for the Spartans!

[Mphillips 1,732]

It's disingenuous to say that it's not an upset regardless of who wrestled...

[SetonHallPirate 990]

1 hour ago, goheels1812 said:

Even without Moran, Wisconsin is still a heavy favorite in that match. Michigan State showed up to scrap and should be congratulated for their efforts, regardless of if Wisconsin was missing 1 starter. 
 

Related: name one team in the country that has rolled out the same 10 starters every single match this year. Injuries happen, it’s part of the sport. This is still a head scratcher of a loss for the badgers. It happens sometimes.

There aren't any. No team has had fewer than twelve different starters, aside from Presbyterian with ten, and Presbyterian has rolled out at least three of the Forfeit brothers in every dual.

Edited February 10, 2020 by SetonHallPirate
Correction to Presbyterian's starter count from nine to ten.

[nhs67 2,059]

3 hours ago, potentiallydangerous said:

No, if he took the mat healthy it would have. Does everything on the internet have to be explained piece by piece? I guess I should have just said it would have been different if Moran were not injured.

No. You aren't getting the point.

We could all play what if all we want. Wisconsin put their best team out tonight. That didn't include Moran because the staff knew he shouldn't wrestle.

Santos tonight still beats Moran tonight, had he suited up. You don't get to choose what version of Moran shows up.

Using your logic I could then turn around and say that had Foley wrestled 125 would have been bonus the other way. 

[southend 241]

Nice win for the Spartans. I was with them Friday night against Northwestern and they competed but didn’t seem to match up very well with the cats. Got their butts beat. A stalling disqualification didn’t help.