malcolmJfromPA 23 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 With Berge back!!!! I think PSU will have enough points to win the BIG tourney. I think in a smaller field PSU can win the tourney but NCAA's they may not. They should out place Iowa @ 141, 165, 174 and 184. But I think they keep it real close @ ,149,157. 133 may come down to the seeds as to places higher. Iowa has a much bigger point advantage at 125, 197 and HWT. This is so unpredictable and things still keep changing. This is going to be a great post season and will have so much more possibilities come March. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,599 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Contrary to what the pastry chef predicted in another thread. I think Berge qualifies for NCAAs. At 100 percent he's the 2nd best 157 in the Big10 imo. He is a winner and he'll be in good enough shape to take one of the allocated spots. Edited February 18, 2020 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,337 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Contrary to what the pastry chef predicted in another thread. I think Berge qualifies for NCAAs. At 100 percent he's the best 157 in the Big10 imo. He is a winner and he'll be in good enough shape to take one of the allocated spots. You think Berge is better than Deakin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malcolmJfromPA 23 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Agreed glad there are a few on here with sensible comments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,599 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, jchapman said: You think Berge is better than Deakin? Actually, I don't. I should amend that. Second best though. 1 jchapman reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Actually, I don't. I should amend that. Second best though. And at his current health/conditioning level where would you place him in the B10? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptz305 145 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 What about Berge losing to Quinn Kinner on February 16th makes anyone think he is the second best 157 in the Big Ten? Some serious mental gymnastics there. 1 BLT reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,599 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: And at his current health/conditioning level where would you place him in the B10? His current status is irrelevent, its what his health should be at Big10's. If he is wrestling then between him and Cael there is good reason. You should know that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russelscout 1,573 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, malcolmJfromPA said: With Berge back!!!! I think PSU will have enough points to win the BIG tourney. I think in a smaller field PSU can win the tourney but NCAA's they may not. They should out place Iowa @ 141, 165, 174 and 184. But I think they keep it real close @ ,149,157. 133 may come down to the seeds as to places higher. Iowa has a much bigger point advantage at 125, 197 and HWT. This is so unpredictable and things still keep changing. This is going to be a great post season and will have so much more possibilities come March. I think you have this backwards. NCAA really favors high placements. At the NCAA's they have potential finalists at 133,141, 165, 174, 184. That alone is enough to win the NCAA in some years. At the Big10's Iowa has a huge advantage. IOWA PSU 125- 1st 14th 133- 3rd 2nd 141- 3rd 1st 149- 2nd 10th 157- 2nd 12ish(will likely finish higher) 165- 2nd 1st 174- 1st 2nd 184- 3rd 1st 197- 3rd 6th 285- 3rd 6th? Iowa's consistency serves them very well in the BIG10 tourney. Edited February 18, 2020 by russelscout 1 Cruiser94 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malcolmJfromPA 23 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Who would place higher than him besides Deakin and Young? The Kinner match is a throw away. Its truly not relevant as he is going to get in much better wrestling shape by then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 1,008 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 Is Kendall Coleman hurt? Saw he Inj.Def his last match, anyone know if it’s serious? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malcolmJfromPA 23 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 I guess we have to wait and see. That's why I think this year is so much fun. Great for wrestling and good for the fans to have the ability to argue the race. The last few years or so has been who gets second and if the Brands bros will lose their minds chasing. Good to see the fight this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 1,514 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, malcolmJfromPA said: Who would place higher than him besides Deakin and Young? The Kinner match is a throw away. Its truly not relevant as he is going to get in much better wrestling shape by then. At this point Coleman, Lewan, Tucker, Robb, Thomas and Kinner could plausibly beat him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,174 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Contrary to what the pastry chef predicted in another thread. I think Berge qualifies for NCAAs. At 100 percent he's the 2nd best 157 in the Big10 imo. He is a winner and he'll be in good enough shape to take one of the allocated spots. Come on now. The guy has a grand total of one (1) win at the weight class as a starter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malcolmJfromPA 23 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Plausible. But isn't it PLAUSIBLE that he beats them all as well. Edited February 18, 2020 by malcolmJfromPA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 1,008 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 1032004 said: At this point Coleman, Lewan, Tucker, Robb, Thomas and Kinner could plausibly beat him. The guy is a junior world medalist, has wins over over guys like Lugo whose ranked #2 and Degan whose an AA, and bc he missed a few months and lost a close match at the end to Kinner ( who will be at worst be an AA in the his career) he’s now below lewan, tucker, Thomas and Robb ? Seriously Other then beating Pantelo when he had mono last year lewan best win of his career is beating tucker or Robb Edited February 18, 2020 by Antitroll2828 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,599 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, ptz305 said: What about Berge losing to Quinn Kinner on February 16th makes anyone think he is the second best 157 in the Big Ten? Some serious mental gymnastics there. Nobody said he's 2nd best today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,599 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: Come on now. The guy has a grand total of one (1) win at the weight class as a starter. And? He will still take an allocated spot come Big10's. Sanderson obviously believes that and there is no reason I should doubt it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 1,514 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: The guy is a junior world medalist, has wins over over guys like Lugo whose ranked #2 and Degan whose an AA, and bc he missed a few months and lost a close match at the end to Kinner ( who will be at worst be an AA in the his career) he’s now below lewan, tucker, Thomas and Robb ? Seriously Other then beating Pantelo when he had mono last year lewan best win of his career is beating tucker or Robb Depends on how quickly he can return to form. Berge lost to Kinner Kinner lost to Robb Robb lost to Lewan and Tucker Tucker lost to Thomas Lewan lost to Coleman Seems like those guys are all pretty close. Berge will need to improve greatly compared to what he showed against Kinner in order to beat them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,174 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: And? He will still take an allocated spot come Big10's. Sanderson obviously believes that and there is no reason I should doubt it. Taking a qualifier spot and being 2nd best in the Big 10 are two different things. I like the kid, but he hasn't shown that he's better than 2 - 5 in the Big 10 yet, and "100% Berge" only exists in theory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,599 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: Taking a qualifier spot and being 2nd best in the Big 10 are two different things. I like the kid, but he hasn't shown that he's better than 2 - 5 in the Big 10 yet, and "100% Berge" only exists in theory. I never said they were the same thing, for starters. I didn't even say he was 2nd best today or that he'd be 2nd best at Big10's, just that he is 2nd best based purely on talent when he's 100 percent. I will stand by that opinion based on his Junior Trials, Junior Worlds, and U23 Trials performances + performances from last year. Guy has wins over Carr, Lugo and others that are as good or better than 2-5 in the Big10. Edited February 18, 2020 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 1,008 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Depends on how quickly he can return to form. Berge lost to Kinner Kinner lost to Robb Robb lost to Lewan and Tucker Tucker lost to Thomas Lewan lost to Coleman Seems like those guys are all pretty close. Berge will need to improve greatly compared to what he showed against Kinner in order to beat them. Well honestly I’ve been watching Kinner wrestle for about 6 years now and if he were a full size 157 I believe he would be the #2 guy in the big ten, the guy is the real deal and Tom Ryan has just been butchering the kids weight situation, so I don’t take to much from a first match back Berge losing one late against him, and Berge wrestles a style very similar to Lugo or phillipi where almost every match is somewhat close and he’s content to win 3-2 and that leaves you vulnerable for what happened against OSU I’m not betting my life Berge AAs this year and the fact he’s going to be one of the last 2-3 seeds at big tens I think he ll end up taking something like 5th and end up with a garbage seed at ncaas but the talent is there and a month is a good amount of time to improve on conditioning and recent history shows Cael gets guys ready Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 1,514 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: I’m not betting my life Berge AAs this year and the fact he’s going to be one of the last 2-3 seeds at big tens I think he ll end up taking something like 5th and end up with a garbage seed at ncaas but the talent is there and a month is a good amount of time to improve on conditioning and recent history shows Cael gets guys ready Well I think we're basically agreeing then. If he takes 5th or something then most likely 2 of the guys I listed finish ahead of him. Of course he can also improve between B10's and NCAA's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shieldofpistis 156 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: And at his current health/conditioning level where would you place him in the B10? Good to see you back Jimmy. We have business to attend to. 1 82bordeaux reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
82bordeaux 90 Report post Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, shieldofpistis said: Good to see you back Jimmy. We have business to attend to. Indeed we do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
