AIW-HS 15 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 Latest word is that it’s unlikely that Kerk will gain eligibility/have redshirt pulled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malcolmJfromPA 23 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 4 of the last 5 years they have AA'd at HWT. Highly doubt this is a problem area for PSU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, AIW-HS said: Latest word is that it’s unlikely that Kerk will gain eligibility/have redshirt pulled. Is this latest word coming from anywhere more reliable than any of the previous words? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 570 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 Here's my two cents. At least up until this year, and maybe still, in the Big Ten you needed a waiver from the school in order to not have to sit out a year. That was the big issue with Suriano was would Penn State grant the waiver (remember every Rutgers fan and Penn State hater on here screaming that Carl should let the kid wrestle otherwise he was screwing him over somehow even though he knew the rules) which they eventually did. It doesn't appear that Kerk has not received a waiver from Ohio State or else this would be a moot point. As far as wrestling second semester, assuming he completed all of his school work satisfactorily first semester and is eligible that way, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to wrestle since he's never wrestled in college to start with. That being said, and I don't care whether you're a Penn State fan or not, this is a tough situation for Seth. I don't know if tough is the right word but it's the best one I could come up with it the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,194 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 That’s more like 9 cents. 3 1 ConnorsDad, The Bog Man, PHL and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alwayswrestling 195 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 The example is not even close to the same as each other with Soriano and Kerkvekt(sp) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 651 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 You beat me to it lol Jimmy Lawson arguably the greatest high school heavyweight in NJ history Definitely better than Mocco.Probably better than Baumgartner. Not sure though.Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 1 PHL reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 563 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, cjc007 said: Definitely better than Mocco. Probably better than Baumgartner. Not sure though. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Baumgarntner placed 3 rd once in High school and Mocco went to St. Benedict’s prep and Blair 2 prep schools so he never wrestled NJ HS kids lawson won 3 straight the first heavyweight in NJ ever to do that i believe . zach Rey only managed to go 4,1,1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,324 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 45 minutes ago, headshuck said: That’s more like 9 cents. Looked more like 5 bucks and change but I only got thru the first 32 cents. 1 headshuck reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 651 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 Baumgarntner placed 3 rd once in High school and Mocco went to St. Benedict’s prep and Blair 2 prep schools so he never wrestled NJ HS kids lawson won 3 straight the first heavyweight in NJ ever to do that i believe . zach Rey only managed to go 4,1,1 Mocco would have decapitated Lawson. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 1 PHL reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
82bordeaux 90 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, bnwtwg said: What about a Northwestern or University of Illinois degree? Asking for a friend... If they had the opportunity to go and that's what the kid thinks is best I'd be all for it. Of course NU would probably be a bit higher tariff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
82bordeaux 90 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, jchapman said: What about PSU 197 in 2018? That was a case of Carl believing Tupac would get more bonus points than Cassar at Nationals. I don't think it was a clear cut case of Tupac beating Cassar in the room. Still winning the spot, but not in the traditional wrestle-off sense. Please share the details of their wrestle-offs. How many did they have over the course of the season? What were the results? You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge. Are you willing to share it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 1,837 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 9 hours ago, cjc007 said: I can't imagine how a scholarship athlete in the B1G could transfer from one member institution to another member institution in the same season while remaining athletically eligible. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Probably the coach of the former team signed a waiver. I can think of a lot of instances where something like this should be allowed. For instance, say a wrestler at PSU learns his dad has terminal cancer with 6 months to live, but his dad lives in Fresno, California. That kid should be allowed to transfer to Fresno State if they'll take him, and not suffer on the mat from eligibility issues (long as he's got the grades and is going to class). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 1,837 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 If Kerkliviet is better then Nevills he should be on the mat anyway. I'd feel sorry for Nevills, and I'd definitely hit the transfer portal if I was him and I was benched in favor of Kerkliviet, but I can see Cael's point if he thinks Kerkliviet could score a lot more points at NCAAs than Nevills. Cael is the guy pulling down the big paycheck to win championships, not me. But it would be a bit of a chicken**** move (unless Kerliviet makes the finals, in which case everybody will be calling Cael a genius). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 1,837 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, cjc007 said: Definitely better than Mocco. Probably better than Baumgartner. Not sure though. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk I'm shocked to hear Bruce didn't do better in HS. He was a badass in college/internationally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 1,837 Report post Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, ConnorsDad said: Here's my two cents. At least up until this year, and maybe still, in the Big Ten you needed a waiver from the school in order to not have to sit out a year. That was the big issue with Suriano was would Penn State grant the waiver (remember every Rutgers fan and Penn State hater on here screaming that Carl should let the kid wrestle otherwise he was screwing him over somehow even though he knew the rules) which they eventually did. It doesn't appear that Kerk has not received a waiver from Ohio State or else this would be a moot point. As far as wrestling second semester, assuming he completed all of his school work satisfactorily first semester and is eligible that way, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to wrestle since he's never wrestled in college to start with. That being said, and I don't care whether you're a Penn State fan or not, this is a tough situation for Seth. I don't know if tough is the right word but it's the best one I could come up with it the time. Reminiscent of the Chandler Rogers debacle in Stillwater last year in a way. I still think Chandler got robbed, and I'm still angry about it. That man earned the right to go out a Cowboy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,823 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 5 hours ago, VakAttack said: When you're a high level recruit and multiple AA, yes it would be rough to lose your spot. Is this serious? Are you guys serious right now? You realize it can be a rough situation for a high level athlete without it being something negative PSU did to him in the case of Nick. The situation with Seth and Kerk is a little more negative towards PSU, I guess, but the thing with Nick can be rough without PSU being at fault. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Nothing is negative towards anyone. Two time AA Nick Nevills lost his spot last year and some thought he'd transfer or quit. His public response went something like this "I committed to PSU to train with the best and nothing has changed. I am staying at Penn State". And look now, he trains with NLWC. My guess is his brother feels the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,823 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, jchapman said: What about PSU 197 in 2018? That was a case of Carl believing Tupac would get more bonus points than Cassar at Nationals. I don't think it was a clear cut case of Tupac beating Cassar in the room. Still winning the spot, but not in the traditional wrestle-off sense. Actually it was. Shak and Cassar wrestled off before Big10's and Shak won. It was that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 2,717 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 Nothing is negative towards anyone. Two time AA Nick Nevills lost his spot last year and some thought he'd transfer or quit. His public response went something like this "I committed to PSU to train with the best and nothing has changed. I am staying at Penn State". And look now, he trains with NLWC. My guess is his brother feels the same way.The Nick and Seth situations are completely different. Cassar just bumped up unexpectedly and beat Nick. It happens. Seth got recruited over. I'd bet he feels differently. That's just being human. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,823 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, VakAttack said: The Nick and Seth situations are completely different. Cassar just bumped up unexpectedly and beat Nick. It happens. Seth got recruited over. I'd bet he feels differently. That's just being human. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Seth got recruited over just like Vince Turk and Jaren Glosser got recruited over. Just like Justin Meija and that other 125 got recruited over. Just like Cashe Wilke got recruited over. And who got bounced when Austin Desanto transferred in to Iowa, or when Pat Lugo transferred in to Iowa? Next year someone will sit because of Jaydin Eireman transferring in. Edited February 28, 2020 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 533 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, VakAttack said: The Nick and Seth situations are completely different. Cassar just bumped up unexpectedly and beat Nick. It happens. Seth got recruited over. I'd bet he feels differently. That's just being human. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk lol theoretically was illegal to recruit Kirk... but U23s happen! 2 cjc007 and Gopher82 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 533 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Seth got recruited over just like Vince Turk and Jaren Glosser got recruited over. Just like Justin Meija and that other 125 got recruited over. Just like Cashe Wilke got recruited over. And who got bounced when Austin Desanto transferred in to Iowa, or when Pat Lugo transferred in to Iowa? Next year someone will sit because of Jaydin Eireman transferring in. I don't think Wilcke got recruited over. I'm sure the plan was for Wilcke to perform better and to redshirt ASSad who could start next year. Big difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 533 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Seth got recruited over just like Vince Turk and Jaren Glosser got recruited over. Just like Justin Meija and that other 125 got recruited over. Just like Cashe Wilke got recruited over. And who got bounced when Austin Desanto transferred in to Iowa, or when Pat Lugo transferred in to Iowa? Next year someone will sit because of Jaydin Eireman transferring in. And the kirk case and the individual himself (kirk) is far more troublesome than any of those cases. Edited February 28, 2020 by AHamilton 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,093 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, 82bordeaux said: Please share the details of their wrestle-offs. How many did they have over the course of the season? What were the results? You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge. Are you willing to share it? Apparently @TBar1977has these details Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,823 Report post Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, AHamilton said: I don't think Wilcke got recruited over. I'm sure the plan was for Wilcke to perform better and to redshirt ASSad who could start next year. Big difference. I am equally sure they knew Assad might have more upside than Wilke, hence he got recruited over. Glass houses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
