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WOW - Parris got the #1 seed over Gable - surprising but it may not matter much - I really do not see either of them losing before the Finals. 

What sorts of things could cause these Pre-seeds to change before the Tourney starts?

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3 minutes ago, JerryCallo said:

WOW - Parris got the #1 seed over Gable - surprising but it may not matter much - I really do not see either of them losing before the Finals. 

What sorts of things could cause these Pre-seeds to change before the Tourney starts?

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7 minutes ago, JerryCallo said:

WOW - Parris got the #1 seed over Gable - surprising but it may not matter much - I really do not see either of them losing before the Finals. 

What sorts of things could cause these Pre-seeds to change before the Tourney starts?

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4 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Quite a meat grinder at 133 on the other side of Gross:

 

133 lbs.
1. Seth Gross, WIS
2. Roman Bravo-Young, PSU
3. Austin DeSanto, IOWA
4. Travis Piotrowski, ILL
5. Sebastian Rivera, NU

At least Rivera at 5, keeps the balance of power as it should.

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30 minutes ago, JerryCallo said:

WOW - Parris got the #1 seed over Gable - surprising but it may not matter much - I really do not see either of them losing before the Finals. 

What sorts of things could cause these Pre-seeds to change before the Tourney starts?

Considering Gable didn't wrestle in the Michigan dual, Parris surely deserved the top seed.

It's essentially meaningless, but when both are undefeated (or otherwise equal), reward the guy who showed up.

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2 minutes ago, Mokoma said:

4 or 13 would have been just fine.

4 wasn't going to happen (since Rivera inj. defaulted to Piotrowski), and 13 was unlikely (since Rivera beat Sandoval).

But yes, they would've placed him topside, where he belongs.

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BIG 10 PRE-SEEDS
125 lbs. (8 NCAA qualifiers)
1. Spencer Lee, IOWA
2. Devin Schroder, PUR
3. Patrick McKee, MN
4. Justin Cardani, IL
5. Jack Medley, MI
6. Michael DeAugustino, NU
7. Liam Cronin, IN
8. Nic Aguilar, RUT
9. Eric Barnett, WI
10. Alex Thomsen, NEB
11. Malik Heinselman, OSU
12. Logan Griffin, MSU
13. Brandon Cray, MD
14. Brandon Meredith, PSU

133 lbs. (7 qualifiers)
1. Seth Gross, WI
2. Roman Bravo-Young, PSU
3. Austin DeSanto, IOWA
4. Travis Piotrowski, IL
5. Sebastian Rivera, NW
6. Ridge Lovett, NEB
7. Sammy Alvarez, RUT
8. Joey Silva, MI
9. Crayden Rooks, IN
10. Garrett Pepple, MSU
11. Boo Dryden, MN
12. Travis Ford-Melton, PUR
13. King Sandoval, MD
14. Jordan Decatur, OSU

141 lbs. (8 qualifiers)
1. Nick Lee, PSU
2. Luke Pletcher, OSU
3. Max Murin, IOWA
4. Chad Red, NEB
5. Tristan Moran, WIS
6. Mitch McKee, MINN
7. Dylan Duncan, ILL
8. Parker Filius, PUR
9. Cole Mattin, MICH
10. Alec McKenna, NU
11. Joe Aragona, RU
12. Matt Santos, MSU
13. Eddie Bolivar, IND
14. Hunter Baxter, MD

149 lbs. (10 qualifiers)
1. Sammy Sasso, OSU
2. Pat Lugo, IOWA
3. Brayton Lee, MINN
4. Kanen Storr, MICH
5. Graham Rooks, IND
6. Cole Martin, WIS
7. Collin Purinton, NEB
8. Jarod Verkleeren, PSU
9. Yahya Thomas, NU
10. Griffin Parriott, PUR
11. Gerard Angelo RU
12. Alex Hrisopoulos, MSU
13. Mousa Jodeh, ILL
14. Ryan Garlitz, MD

157 lbs. (6 qualifiers)
1. Ryan Deakin, NU
2. Kaleb Young, IOWA
3. Kendall Coleman, PUR
4. Will Lewan, MICH
5. Ryan Thomas, MINN
6. Jake Tucker, MSU
7. Peyton Robb, NEB
8. Eric Barone, ILL
9. Michael VanBrill, RU
10. Jahi Jones, MD
11. Elijah Cleary, OSU
12. Garrett Model, WIS
13. Bo Pipher, PSU
14. Fernie Silva, IND

165 lbs. (8 qualifiers)
1. Vincenzo Joseph, PSU
2. Alex Marinelli, IOWA
3. Evan Wick, WIS
4. Isaiah White, NEB
5. Ethan Smith, OSU
6. Shayne Oster, NU
7. Dan Braunagel, ILL
8. Bailee O’Reilly, MINN
9. Drew Hughes, MSU
10. Kyle Cochran, MD
11. Brett Donner, RU
12. Tyler Meisiner, MICH
13. Tanner Webster, PUR
14. Diego Lemley, IND

174 lbs. (9 qualifiers)
1. Michael Kemerer, IOWA
2. Mark Hall, PSU
3. Dylan Lydy, PUR
4. Devin Skatzka, MINN
5. Mikey Labriola, NEB
6. Kaleb Romero, OSU
7. Joseph Gunther, ILL
8. Layne Malczewski, MSU
9. Tyler Morland, NU
10. Willie Scott, RU
11. Jared Krattiger, WIS
12. Phillip Spadafora, MD
13. Max Maylor, MICH
14. NO ENTRY, IND

184 lbs. (10 qualifiers)
1. Aaron Brooks, PSU
2. Cameron Caffey, MSU
3. Abe Assad, IOWA
4. Taylor Venz, NEB
5. Billy Janzer, RU
6. Rocky Jordan, OSU
7. Zach Braunagel, ILL
8. Owen Webster, MINN
9. Johnny Sebastian, WIS
10. Jelani Embree, MICH
11. Max Lyon, PUR
12. Jack Jessen, NU
13. Jake Hinz, IND
14. Kyle Jasenski, MD

197 lbs. (6 qualifiers)
1. Kollin Moore, OSU
2. Eric Schultz, NEB
3. Jacob Warner, IOWA
4. Christian Brunner, PUR
5. Lucas Davison, NU
6. Shakur Rasheed, PSU
7. Jordan Pagano, RU
8. Jackson Striggow, MICH
9. Jaron Smith, MD
10. Hunter Ritter, MINN
11. Matt Wroblewski, ILL
12. Nick May, MSU
13. Taylor Watkins, WIS
14. Nick Willham, IND

285 lbs. (7 qualifiers)
1. Mason Parris, MICH
2. Gable Steveson, MINN
3. Tony Cassioppi, IOWA
4. Trent Hilger, WIS
5. David Jensen, NEB
6. Gary Traub, OSU
7. Seth Nevillis, PSU
8. Thomas Penola, PUR
9. Luke Luffman, ILL
10. Alex Esposito, RU
11. Christian Rebottaro, MSU
12. Jake Kleimola, IND
13. Jack Heyob, NU
14. Parker Robinson, MD

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9 minutes ago, fightingsioux said:

What do people see as the biggest potential upset (a lower seed winning it all)?

Not Steveson over Parris, I mean a true upset.

Chad Red in the postseason is a dangerous man 

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1 hour ago, JerryCallo said:

WOW - Parris got the #1 seed over Gable - surprising but it may not matter much - I really do not see either of them losing before the Finals. 

What sorts of things could cause these Pre-seeds to change before the Tourney starts?

Parris got it because he has a better strength of schedule, showed up to the dual vs Minnesota and wrestled and won a major tournament. 
  
Gable is the favorite but I agree with the seeding

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1 minute ago, Ragu said:

Chad Red in the postseason is a dangerous man 

Not THAT dangerous.

He finished 7th and 8th the last two years at NCAAs which is about where you would expect given his talent level and if you ignored his sub-par regular seasons. Then at Big 10's last year he got the most favorable possible draw by being on the same side of the bracket as Mike Carr (and opposite McKenna and Lee). Carr was the poster child for questionable seeding when he was given the #1 after not having wrestled McKenna or Lee. He then proceeded to drop three matches at Big 10s and two more at NCAAs and not AA.

I do feel bad for Red this year though. They gave him the 4 seed and Murin the 3. Red beat Murin head to head. And while Murin has fewer loses in the conference he did not take the mat against Pletcher or Lee this year. I think you can make the case that Red should have been the 3.

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43 minutes ago, fightingsioux said:

What do people see as the biggest potential upset (a lower seed winning it all)?

Not Steveson over Parris, I mean a true upset.

I don't see him winning, but I won't be at all surprised if Decatur substantially out-places his seed.

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25 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Not THAT dangerous.

He finished 7th and 8th the last two years at NCAAs which is about where you would expect

I think you are selling him short on his post-season magic.

In 2018, he was NOT Seeded, yet finished 7th.

In 2019, he was a #16 Seed, yet finished 8th.

He significantly over performed both years.

I would expect him to be Seeded higher this year unless he lays an egg at Big 10.

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23 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Not THAT dangerous.

He finished 7th and 8th the last two years at NCAAs which is about where you would expect given his talent level and if you ignored his sub-par regular seasons. Then at Big 10's last year he got the most favorable possible draw by being on the same side of the bracket as Mike Carr (and opposite McKenna and Lee). Carr was the poster child for questionable seeding when he was given the #1 after not having wrestled McKenna or Lee. He then proceeded to drop three matches at Big 10s and two more at NCAAs and not AA.

I do feel bad for Red this year though. They gave him the 4 seed and Murin the 3. Red beat Murin head to head. And while Murin has fewer loses in the conference he did not take the mat against Pletcher or Lee this year. I think you can make the case that Red should have been the 3.

Given their head to head, I'm surprised he's not the three.

Then again, although he pinned McKee recently, I think I'd rather wrestle Moran in the quarters.  He hasn't looked right since at least the PSU dual, and unless something changes, I don't think he'll have anything for Red.

McKee's been pinned a few times recently, but if anything, I suspect he'll be more dangerous in the postseason.

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