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1 minute ago, red blades said:

Based on what I have read, and conversation with a friend in Rome (i.e., not broad or scientific data) - it does seem the hospitals there have been overwhelmed by the number of serious cases, to the extent that patients who are very old or ill are simply not being treated - there is not enough resperator equipment, or other medical support.  And yes, the vast majority of these have been confirmed specifically as coronavirus.

A big part of the problem may also be that the number of confirmed cases is just the tip of the iceberg - there simply are not enough test kits to go around, and so only high risk or very ill patients are being tested.  We really don't know how fast this thing is growing.  Likewise, it seems that the CDC here in the US may have been caught flat footed on this, and has not adequately prepared for a widespread pandemic.  It does not seem that the medical infrastructure here in the US is overwhelmed - yet - but the desire to avoid a situation like what has happened in Italy may be driving what might appear to some to be an overly cautious response here.

I'm sitting in Manhattan right now - Park & 33rd - we just got word that we will begin working remotely from home starting Monday.  As it is, mass transit this morning was running about 1/2 normal density.

I can see what you say being true. However, I'm of the belief that I don't think we can be ready for every possible eventuality in the world. The CDC can't be ready for everything - there's just not enough money in the world to make sure that we're completely safe from every possible disaster in the world. Yes sometimes things sneak up on us and our reactions could have been faster but that's not just in the US that's all over the world. Yes you your point about the elderly being basically put on hold to deal with younger people in Italy is spot on. I just saw a couple pictures of that somewhere on the internet in Italy. Thanks for the info

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3 minutes ago, ConnorsDad said:

I'll go you one better than that. I don't think there's been three plus years of eroding the public trust I think there's been a generation of it. When's the last time we actually had a leader in the Oval Office who people would consider one they could trust? No time recently!

I can agree with that. I just think it’s been put into overdrive recently.

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2 minutes ago, ConnorsDad said:

They just had an infectious disease specialist on the Will Cain show on ESPN and he said initial reports of the mortality rate are going to be high. Because so many people develop a mild case of it, the mortality rate is coming down. They think it might be five to seven times more deadly than your common flu. I realize people dying in any number is not a good thing but when you're dealing with 300 million people it's a sad fact of life.

But there is no herd immunity so everyone is at risk. Say it falls to .5%. Thats still 1.5 million.

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Just now, Force118 said:

I can agree with that. I just think it’s been put into overdrive recently.

Having grown up in Tennessee back when our former president was the governor of Arkansas, I, who don't follow politics that much, knew even back then that if I got in trouble in Arkansas all it would take was money to get me out of it. This is long before he ever even thought about being president.

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4 minutes ago, russelscout said:

But there is no herd immunity so everyone is at risk. Say it falls to .5%. Thats still 1.5 million.

if 1.5 million people died in this country it would be triple the largest death toll that this country has ever seen due to an infectious outbreak... 

i can not fathom a situation where that is the long term mortality figure...

never the less, it would still be half of the amount of people that die here each year...

 

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2 minutes ago, LJB said:

if 1.5 million people died in this country it would be triple the largest death toll that this country has ever seen due to an infectious outbreak... 

i can not fathom a situation where that is the long term mortality figure...

never the less, it would still be half of the amount of people that die here each year...

 

No. That is gross overestimate to make a point on my part

Nevertheless, I have a hard time rectifying the idea that just because X many people die every year, we shouldn't care about adding a few on to that. 

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15 minutes ago, russelscout said:

No. That is gross overestimate to make a point on my part

Nevertheless, I have a hard time rectifying the idea that just because X many people die every year, we shouldn't care about adding a few on to that. 

The cold hard truth is that absolutely no one gets out of this alive...

Everyone has to accept that at some point in their life and once you do you immediately become happier...

this virus will have absolutely no effect on our healthy and productive (harsh and not exactly what I want to say) population and as such is an entirely normal part of life on this planet for every other species...

some of us think we should be above nature... personally I do not...

I say all that with a clinical detachment and understand that anyone affected personally by a seemingly untimely death caused by this virus will probably look at it in a different light...

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1 minute ago, LJB said:

this virus will have absolutely no effect on our healthy and productive (harsh and not exactly what I want to say) population...

This is inaccurate.  It will have less (not “no”) impact on said population.

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5 minutes ago, LJB said:

The cold hard truth is that absolutely no one gets out of this alive...

Everyone has to accept that at some point in their life and once you do you immediately become happier...

this virus will have absolutely no effect on our healthy and productive (harsh and not exactly what I want to say) population and as such is an entirely normal part of life on this planet for every other species...

some of us think we should be above nature... personally I do not...

I say all that with a clinical detachment and understand that anyone affected personally by a seemingly untimely death caused by this virus will probably look at it in a different light...

Heres what I think most people are missing though - this isnt the flu, it is a sars like virus. Already, and we are only a few months into this thing, the reports are that survivor immune systems are significantly compromised and permanent neurological damage just like sars survivors. Pray to God it's not the case, but that's a large part of why emergency conditions are underway.

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Just now, madcat11 said:

You speak with great confidence about something that is relatively unknown.

Only because that is what history has shown again and again...

and what it is showing now...

but hey, if I’m wrong I swear to odin I’ll apologize...

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26 minutes ago, LJB said:

The cold hard truth is that absolutely no one gets out of this alive...

Everyone has to accept that at some point in their life and once you do you immediately become happier...

this virus will have absolutely no effect on our healthy and productive (harsh and not exactly what I want to say) population and as such is an entirely normal part of life on this planet for every other species...

some of us think we should be above nature... personally I do not...

I say all that with a clinical detachment and understand that anyone affected personally by a seemingly untimely death caused by this virus will probably look at it in a different light...

Do you know or care about anyone in a vulnerable group who might be impacted by this? How bout if you had a parent who might live another 20 years under normal conditions, but could contract this and die? Sure, nobody  gets out alive, that doesn't mean we are ready to put  the old and infirm on ice floes. 

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9 minutes ago, Major Kong said:

Do you know or care about anyone in a vulnerable group who might be impacted by this? How bout if you had a parent who might live another 20 years under normal conditions, but could contract this and die? Sure, nobody  gets out alive, that doesn't mean we are ready to put  the old and infirm on ice floes. 

Sure I do, but, that doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme...

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1 hour ago, LJB said:

The cold hard truth is that absolutely no one gets out of this alive...

Everyone has to accept that at some point in their life and once you do you immediately become happier...

this virus will have absolutely no effect on our healthy and productive (harsh and not exactly what I want to say) population and as such is an entirely normal part of life on this planet for every other species...

some of us think we should be above nature... personally I do not...

I say all that with a clinical detachment and understand that anyone affected personally by a seemingly untimely death caused by this virus will probably look at it in a different light...

We arent a machine. There is more to humanity than being healthy and productive. 

I have family who would likely not make it(I was mocked for saying this yesterday. Lets hope I have better luck this time) if we do not manage it. To me the extra precautions matter. Those family members add value to my life and make me a better person. I cant be alone in feeling that way and I fear the day when we view all people as cogs in a machine who are dispensable when they cant contribute. 

 

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