Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 14 Apologize if this is a double post but haven’t looked through the forum yet this afternoon and just saw this https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/23417 2 Marcus Cisero and Mphillips reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,179 Report post Posted March 14 That’s good news Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 14 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: That’s good news Absolutely, good to see that something positive will happen even though it’s a tough time and will be much deserved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDogg 271 Report post Posted March 14 (edited) First ever Hodge winner who didn’t win an NCAA title that same season. 20 years from now that’ll be a great wrestling trivia question. Edited March 14 by MDogg 2 jon and Schuteandscore reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 261 Report post Posted March 14 1 minute ago, MDogg said: First ever Hodge winner who didn’t win an NCAA title that same season. 20 years from now that’ll be a great wrestling trivia question. Not true really. At least we have had one that didn’t win division 1 title. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 612 Report post Posted March 14 If Lee wins, would he be the first winner with less than 20 wins? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 456 Report post Posted March 14 1 minute ago, IronChef said: If Lee wins, would he be the first winner with less than 20 wins? Lee’s going to win it without an ncaa title, skipping the semis and finals of midlands and sitting out the dual that was against his toughest opponent...all that being said I don’t think there is anyone else you could give it to other then possibly kolin Moore Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, IronChef said: If Lee wins, would he be the first winner with less than 20 wins? Would have with the tournament in place so that’s a great question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,303 Report post Posted March 14 Kollin 1 Schuteandscore reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 14 1 minute ago, pamela said: Kollin With Kollin being denied a title as a senior, I actually agree, good call 1 TheOhioState reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDogg 271 Report post Posted March 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mokoma said: Not true really. At least we have had one that didn’t win division 1 title. Didn’t say D1 title...and there’s been 2 Hodge winners who didn’t wrestle D1. But technically you’re probably still right because I said NCAA one of the non D1 winners wrestled NAIA. Edited March 14 by MDogg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PSUSMC 124 Report post Posted March 14 Is it really good news? Could it be getting awarded because there really is no way the tournament will be implemented and some are beginning to move on? 1 jon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, PSUSMC said: Is it really good news? Could it be getting awarded because there really is no way the tournament will be implemented and some are beginning to move on? It is good news, and I think there is no way the tournament goes on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 453 Report post Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, MDogg said: First ever Hodge winner who didn’t win an NCAA title that same season. 20 years from now that’ll be a great wrestling trivia question. Emmett Willson won it in the mid 2000's wrestling for an NAIA school. 1 Yellow_Medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistydawn 38 Report post Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: Lee’s going to win it without an ncaa title, skipping the semis and finals of midlands and sitting out the dual that was against his toughest opponent...all that being said I don’t think there is anyone else you could give it to other then possibly kolin Moore Yes, but in between he took the time to wrestle in the US Senior Nationals that featured 6 former NCAA Champions in it and he won it easily. The toughest opponent you mention is 0-2 against Lee losing 17-2 and 12-6. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 456 Report post Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, mistydawn said: Yes, but in between he took the time to wrestle in the US Senior Nationals that featured 6 former NCAA Champions in it and he won it easily. The toughest opponent you mention is 0-2 against Lee losing 17-2 and 12-6. Freestyle means nothing in the hodge race and both those loses were as a true freshman, glory was one of 5 ,6 guys left in the country that was undefeated and Lee was healthy and missed 2 different opportunities to wrestle him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistydawn 38 Report post Posted March 14 Did you follow the season? Obviously not, Iowa said from the beginning that Lee was not going to compete in all of the matches and the two matches he missed was immediately prior to US Senior Nationals and the weekend after the senior nationals. Makes sense doesn't it? Glory is a good wrestler and we all wish the NCAA had occurred, but since it didn't we have to look at what the facts are--what really took place. Don't try to say that a guy that won the NCAA's in what was selected as the toughest weight at the NCAA's that year ducked someone--really? Freestyle doesn't count for the Hodge, but it does for the United States Olympic Team. Don't go there. Lee took on tougher competition at the US Senior Nationals than there would have been at the NCAA Tournament or anybody he did wrestle or would have wrestled by far, so he wasn't ducking anyone--he was trying to qualify for the Olympic Trials. I don't think we should hold it against a wrestler that was trying to balance folk style and freestyle so his team could compete for a team title when he could have taken an Olympic Redshirt and just focused on one style. Lee is 2-0 against Glory and neither was close. Glory was having a great season this year, but no one was as dominant as Lee has been with 17 bonus point wins in 18 matches and he only missed bonus by 1 point in the one match he didn't get bonus. Furthermore, the one wrestler he didn't bonus he defeated by a score of 19-3 at the Big 10's. Lee wrestles in a tougher conference etc., he beat a common opponent by bonus that Glory beat by decision and Lee's win was by far more dominant--I watched both matches. This comparison is not even close. Glory barely defeated the Lehigh wrestler.... I think it went to OT.... Really. You can't point to Glory being better this year and closed the gap, because this year Lee looks more solid than in either of the other two seasons, so he was on a roll as well. We are all sad and disappointed that the NCAA Tournament was cancelled, but to try to say that Lee did something wrong this year other than being totally dominant and also unselfish by trying to balance two styles during the same season is a reach, unfair and points to a strong connection or rationale to try to justify something that simply isn't there. 1 tightwaist reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistydawn 38 Report post Posted March 14 On 3/7/2020 at 4:10 PM, BigTenFanboy said: He scored a maj0r against Picc last year but that was off a desperation move by picc at the end. That said.. Rivera would have beat Lee at NCAAs had they wrestled just like Nato would have beat Megaludis had they wrestled at NCAAs the year Mega won. I was pointing to the major this year.... it's on YouTube if you want to watch it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crotalus 369 Report post Posted March 14 I always love the "he would've beaten him if only he hadn't lost" comments as a way to slight a champ. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk 2 rcoates1 and mistydawn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iwrite 76 Report post Posted March 14 This year, Penn State brought its 4 Hodge Trophy winners out at halftime of the Penn State-Ohio State meet in front of nearly 16,000 fans. From left: Bo Nickal, Zain Retherford, David Taylor and Kerry McCoy. Quite an impressive group! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,693 Report post Posted March 14 59 minutes ago, Crotalus said: I always love the "he would've beaten him if only he hadn't lost" comments as a way to slight a champ. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk NATO would have beat Megaludis if he was in the finals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 383 Report post Posted March 14 Are you people kidding it’s gotta be Spez. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 268 Report post Posted March 14 1 hour ago, iwrite said: This year, Penn State brought its 4 Hodge Trophy winners out at halftime of the Penn State-Ohio State meet in front of nearly 16,000 fans. From left: Bo Nickal, Zain Retherford, David Taylor and Kerry McCoy. Quite an impressive group! Imagine Cael in the photo with his "3"! 1 HurricaneWrestling2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crotalus 369 Report post Posted March 15 NATO would have beat Megaludis if he was in the finals.You should get him a trophy and engrave "You're #1 in my heart" on it. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk 1 mistydawn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 261 Report post Posted March 15 12 hours ago, madcat11 said: Are you people kidding it’s gotta be Spez. I would probably pick Spencer also, but there is definitely room for debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
