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1 minute ago, VakAttack said:

Trump treated this as unimportant and some attack on him until, like, two days ago.  If he had treated this seriously on the front end, as the leader of the country, maybe we could have kept this minimized and contained.  Instead, it's months later, and we don't even have a clue how many people have it in our country because we're so woefully unprepared to even test people to see if they have it.  I'm glad they're taking steps NOW to do things, but it should have been done a month and half ago instead of sinking into the conspiracy theories and paranoia about how everybody is out to get him.  Now people are suffering and it's going to get worse.

Many would disagree with your assessment. The travel ban was a proactive step. Vetting the data from many corrupt institutions is necessary. Once he returned from his trip to India, he ramped this thing up. If you take the state of Washington out of the equation the numbers in February were very low. The incorporation of Target, Walgreens, and Walmart to collect test samples that can now be automatically tested with a machine will rapidly speed up the process. Trump has already held more press conferences, enhanced the same team used by Obama, and has engaged in unprecedented approach to this virus compared to previous viruses. Swine infected millions, killed a thousand people before Obama reacted.

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3 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

You keep quoting Gateway Pundit as if it's some credible news source.  Is this a bit?

Gateway Pundit is predominately an aggregation site that shares video, and social media content in connection with articles written by other online publications. I've done a lot of research over the years on WHO and their corruption.

Would the Guardian make you happy? Senior WHO official accused of using Ebola cash to pay for girlfriend's flight  https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jan/18/senior-world-health-organization-official-accused-of-using-ebola-cash-to-pay-for-girlfriends-flight-corruption-racism-sexism

Their leader was involved in Marxism, has favored China over the US in this pandemic, has been involved with sexual harrassment, embezzlement, first class flights, five star hotels, using public funds.

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Just now, skikayaker said:

Many would disagree with your assessment. The travel ban was a proactive step. Vetting the data from many corrupt institutions is necessary. Once he returned from his trip to India, he ramped this thing up. If you take the state of Washington out of the equation the numbers in February were very low. The incorporation of Target, Walgreens, and Walmart to collect test samples that can now be automatically tested with a machine will rapidly speed up the process. Trump has already held more press conferences, enhanced the same team used by Obama, and has engaged in unprecedented approach to this virus compared to previous viruses. Swine infected millions, killed a thousand people before Obama reacted.

Well this bolded part is just untrue.

Are you trying to claim that his travel ban from two years ago was a proactive step?

The testing from those corporations will be nice, but there's still no evidence it's happening yet.  Which of course is related to the fact that the administration didn't start doing anything until two days ago.

Also you can't just "remove" a state to make yourself feel better about numbers.  It's still a part of this country, and it happens to be the epicenter for the disease making it's way here.  "If you remove Europe, the Black Plague didn't really kill that many people."

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6 minutes ago, skikayaker said:

Many would disagree with your assessment. The travel ban was a proactive step. Vetting the data from many corrupt institutions is necessary. Once he returned from his trip to India, he ramped this thing up. If you take the state of Washington out of the equation the numbers in February were very low. The incorporation of Target, Walgreens, and Walmart to collect test samples that can now be automatically tested with a machine will rapidly speed up the process. Trump has already held more press conferences, enhanced the same team used by Obama, and has engaged in unprecedented approach to this virus compared to previous viruses. Swine infected millions, killed a thousand people before Obama reacted.

Ski - I applaud you for your efforts but please understand what you're up against here. 

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20 minutes ago, skikayaker said:

Or this one:

Evidence Shows Director General of WHO Overstated the Fatality Rate of the Coronavirus Leading to the Greatest Global Panic in History.Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus falsely claimed in March the fatality rate for the coronavirus was much higher than the flu.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/exclusive-evidence-shows-director-general-of-world-health-organization-severely-overstated-the-fatality-rate-of-the-coronavirus-leading-to-the-greatest-global-panic-in-history/

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is corrupt as the day is long. The WHO has been riddled with corruption related to scandal after scandal and fraud.

thegatewaypundent 

Yep that's the way to go, we've got a science & math related problem here but let's not listen to the science, let's go to a "pundent."  Ya can't fix ...   ;_;

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55 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

this is America, there shouldn’t be a curfew anywhere and we sure dont need our inept state government to “protect” us from ourselves 

I am truly sorry your state government is inept - we thank God for Governors Cuomo and Murphy!  I truly hope your state gets its act together; just don't look to the Federal Government for help.

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9 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Well this bolded part is just untrue.

Are you trying to claim that his travel ban from two years ago was a proactive step?

The testing from those corporations will be nice, but there's still no evidence it's happening yet.  Which of course is related to the fact that the administration didn't start doing anything until two days ago.

Also you can't just "remove" a state to make yourself feel better about numbers.  It's still a part of this country, and it happens to be the epicenter for the disease making it's way here.  "If you remove Europe, the Black Plague didn't really kill that many people."

Daily Signal:

"Before it was over, the pandemic had hit 60.8 million Americans, hospitalized 274,304, and killed 12,469, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This was the H1N1 virus, also known as the swine flu, which emerged in April 2009 and lasted until April 2010." https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/16/a-tale-of-2-pandemics-and-the-governments-response/

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13 minutes ago, skikayaker said:

Gateway Pundit is predominately an aggregation site that shares video, and social media content in connection with articles written by other online publications. I've done a lot of research over the years on WHO and their corruption.

Would the Guardian make you happy? Senior WHO official accused of using Ebola cash to pay for girlfriend's flight  https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jan/18/senior-world-health-organization-official-accused-of-using-ebola-cash-to-pay-for-girlfriends-flight-corruption-racism-sexism

Their leader was involved in Marxism, has favored China over the US in this pandemic, has been involved with sexual harrassment, embezzlement, first class flights, five star hotels, using public funds.

The Gateway Pundit is a right-wing propaganda site that repeatedly posts false and misleading things in an effort to defend President Trump.

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Just now, ionel said:

thegatewaypundent 

Yep that's the way to go, we've got a science & math related problem here but let's not listen to the science, let's go to a "pundent."  Ya can't fix ...   ;_;

You keep talking about math well the math is the virus has been around for 3 months and .00013 percent of the US population has it with under 100 deaths and almost all of them elderly or comprised...this flu season 18,000 have died from regular influenza....those numbers do not reflect statewide curfews and the national guard 

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14 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Well this bolded part is just untrue.

Are you trying to claim that his travel ban from two years ago was a proactive step?

The testing from those corporations will be nice, but there's still no evidence it's happening yet.  Which of course is related to the fact that the administration didn't start doing anything until two days ago.

Also you can't just "remove" a state to make yourself feel better about numbers.  It's still a part of this country, and it happens to be the epicenter for the disease making it's way here.  "If you remove Europe, the Black Plague didn't really kill that many people."

I could suggest that opening the border, abolishing ICE, allowing illegal immigrants who have contracted COVID-19 to roam through our borders untested, to receive free medical assistance, overwhelm our hospitals, and go to school for free, and infect our children at school is an agenda supported by one of the two presidential candidates.

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2 minutes ago, skikayaker said:

Daily Signal:

"Before it was over, the pandemic had hit 60.8 million Americans, hospitalized 274,304, and killed 12,469, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This was the H1N1 virus, also known as the swine flu, which emerged in April 2009 and lasted until April 2010." https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/16/a-tale-of-2-pandemics-and-the-governments-response/

The first case was reported April 15, 2009.  The government declared it a public health emergency on April 26.  The first test to  detect was approved two days after that.  The test was shipped out three days later.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/13/815363362/fact-check-trumps-accusations-about-the-obama-administration-and-swine-flu

According to a CDC estimate, there were more than 60 million swine flu cases reported in the U.S. between April 2009 — when the disease was first detected in California — and April 2010, with more than 12,000 people dying.

The agency said the first case was reported on April 15, 2009, and the government declared H1N1 a public health emergency on the April 26. The first test to detect the new virus was approved by the FDA two days later. Shipments of the new CDC test began May 1.

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Just now, Antitroll2828 said:

You keep talking about math well the math is the virus has been around for 3 months and .00013 percent of the US population has it with under 100 deaths and almost all of them elderly or comprised...this flu season 18,000 have died from regular influenza....those numbers do not reflect statewide curfews and the national guard 

The math is the R0.  But no reason trying to explain it, you were given a good link.  Some just dont understand the math, that is ok.

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8 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

The Gateway Pundit is a right-wing propaganda site that repeatedly posts false and misleading things in an effort to defend President Trump.

There you have it folks - you're chosen leader leading the way!  TheMat- is the best you can do???

Man, I'd love to see this forum reduced to the few dozen or so leftist clowns who pander to one another - and give em' an unlimited of emojes so they can thank one another until the cows come home, then come up with an off-shoot version of this forum - one that encourages more participation from EVERYONE while discouraging ALL cheap shots and comments about politics and religion.  Wouldnt that be nice? Someone with tech skills - please consider!

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Just now, Marcus Cisero said:

There you have it folks - you're chosen leader leading the way!  TheMat- is the best you can do???

Man, I'd love to see this forum reduced to the few dozen or so leftist clowns who pander to one another - and give em' an unlimited of emojes so they can thank one another until the cows come home, then come up with an off-shoot version of this forum - one that encourages more participation from EVERYONE while discouraging ALL cheap shots and comments about politics and religion.  

Good point, wonderful counter.  And I doubt you'd find even a single poster who thinks of me as their leader on anything.  You, however, keep proving that you may not have enough brain cells to form any coherent thought.

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7 minutes ago, ionel said:

The math is the R0.  But no reason trying to explain it, you were given a good link.  Some just dont understand the math, that is ok.

The R0 clearly isn’t as high as being reported, otherwise the entire Utah Jazz team would have it, atleast half the people at cpac would have it and Almost every single doctor and nurse that’s been treating and testing would be infected 

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I'll leave this here.

  • June 11, 2009 World Health Org declared H1N1 Swine Flu a pandemic
  • October 24, 2009 Obama Declared a National Emergency over H1N1 (Over 1,000 were dead already)
  • March 11, 2020 WHO declared coronavirus a pandemic
  • March 13, 2020 Trump Declares National Emergency over the virus

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2 minutes ago, lurk_nowitzki said:

You guys realize we're doing this in the hopes of avoiding something terrible happening here, not to combat something that is already terrible, right?

Correct, which is why it's so great that Trump took initiatives to tighten the border, issue a Travel Ban early on despite media objections, and took only two days to declare a national emergency after WHO declared coronavirus a pandemic. In 2009 it took Obama more than four months and over 1000 deaths to make the same decision. We're in a good place.

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5 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

The R0 clearly isn’t as high as being reported, otherwise the entire Utah Jazz team would have it, atleast half the people at cpac would have it and Almost every single doctor and nurse that’s been treating and testing would be infected 

You dont get it but that's ok.

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6 minutes ago, skikayaker said:

I'll leave this here.

  • June 11, 2009 World Health Org declared H1N1 Swine Flu a pandemic
  • October 24, 2009 Obama Declared a National Emergency over H1N1 (Over 1,000 were dead already)
  • March 11, 2020 WHO declared coronavirus a pandemic
  • March 13, 2020 Trump Declares National Emergency over the virus

Geezus, what a blatant misrepresentation of the facts of what happened.  Also, didn't you just up there claim that the WHO is a corrupt organization?  Now you're citing them as a source?

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WHO is a corrupt organization that has the authority to declare a pandemic. Stick with me now. Yes, those dates are facts. Not to be confused with the dates of when each president declared a health emergency. Trump wins that argument as well.

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6 minutes ago, Force118 said:

R0 of 2.2; 3 NBA players tested positive and went into isolation. 1 player gave it to a teammate and his opponent on March 7th. The math checks out, no?

One nba player coughed on all his teammates and touched them all and all there stuff and all the microphones for the reporters and after that he infected 1 person out of the dozens of teammates, reporters, coaches, trainers, fans, arena workers he was around and blatantly messing with 

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