Iscored2onu 36 Report post Posted March 16, 2020 Obviously upsets could have happened, but some I was really looking forward to (potentially). Note: These are not predictions. Just matches I wanted to see that were missed and "could" have happened. Some great 2nd round and quarters matches. I honestly think this would have been one of the deepest national tournaments taking into account all the olympic redshirts. One of the deepest ever without the oly shirts. 125 Lee vs Mueller in the semis Glory vs Picc in the semis Lee vs Glory in the finals I think this weight would have went scratch for the top 4 seeds to the semi's. I think Lee would have won handily vs Glory in the finals 133 Phillipi vs RBY in the quarters Tucker vs DeSanto in the Quarters Gross vs Tucker or DeSanto in the semi's Rivera vs RBY in the semi's I think Gross would have won this weight, though Rivera may have pulled it off. 141 Real Woods vs Chad Red in the quarters Woods vs Lee in the Semis 149 Lugo vs Degan in the quarters Lugo vs Mauller in the semis Sasso vs O'Connor in the Semi's 157 Young vs Teemer in the 2nd round Young or Teemer vs Deakin in the quarters Dellavecchia vs Robb 2nd round Winner of above vs Monday in quarters Carr vs Sheets or Coleman in the quarters Hidley vs Carr in the semi's 165 Wittlake vs White in the quarters Griffith vs Shields in the quarters Griffith vs Joseph in the Semis Whomever in the finals 174 Steiert vs Lydy in the quarters Kemerer vs Kutler semis Hall vs Kemmerer finals 184 Deprez vs Hidlay in the quarters Lujan vs Hidlay in the semis Caffrey vs Assad part II Brooks vs Caffrey/Assad quarters Brooks vs Bolen Brooks vs Lujan or someone 197 Norfleet vs Brucki 2nd round Moore vs Brucki quarter Warner vs Rasheed 2nd round Warner vs Darmstadt quarters Schultz vs Geer 2nd round Adams vs Woodley 2nd round HWT Wood vs Orndorff 2nd round Hall vs Stencel Cassioppi vs Parris Gable vs Parris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malcolmJfromPA 23 Report post Posted March 16, 2020 Oh what could have been. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hotkarl712 109 Report post Posted March 16, 2020 Griffith vs everyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 342 Report post Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Iscored2onu said: Obviously upsets could have happened, but some I was really looking forward to (potentially). Note: These are not predictions. Just matches I wanted to see that were missed and "could" have happened. Some great 2nd round and quarters matches. I honestly think this would have been one of the deepest national tournaments taking into account all the olympic redshirts. One of the deepest ever without the oly shirts. 125 Lee vs Mueller in the semis Glory vs Picc in the semis Lee vs Glory in the finals I think this weight would have went scratch for the top 4 seeds to the semi's. I think Lee would have won handily vs Glory in the finals 133 Phillipi vs RBY in the quarters Tucker vs DeSanto in the Quarters Gross vs Tucker or DeSanto in the semi's Rivera vs RBY in the semi's I think Gross would have won this weight, though Rivera may have pulled it off. 141 Real Woods vs Chad Red in the quarters Woods vs Lee in the Semis 149 Lugo vs Degan in the quarters Lugo vs Mauller in the semis Sasso vs O'Connor in the Semi's 157 Young vs Teemer in the 2nd round Young or Teemer vs Deakin in the quarters Dellavecchia vs Robb 2nd round Winner of above vs Monday in quarters Carr vs Sheets or Coleman in the quarters Hidley vs Carr in the semi's 165 Wittlake vs White in the quarters Griffith vs Shields in the quarters Griffith vs Joseph in the Semis Whomever in the finals 174 Steiert vs Lydy in the quarters Kemerer vs Kutler semis Hall vs Kemmerer finals 184 Deprez vs Hidlay in the quarters Lujan vs Hidlay in the semis Caffrey vs Assad part II Brooks vs Caffrey/Assad quarters Brooks vs Bolen Brooks vs Lujan or someone 197 Norfleet vs Brucki 2nd round Moore vs Brucki quarter Warner vs Rasheed 2nd round Warner vs Darmstadt quarters Schultz vs Geer 2nd round Adams vs Woodley 2nd round HWT Wood vs Orndorff 2nd round Hall vs Stencel Cassioppi vs Parris Gable vs Parris I thought the thread asked us "most anticipated matches "you" (meaning me) did't see", so I figured I'd open up the thread to list a few, only to discover you already listed most of them! ;) Edited March 16, 2020 by Marcus Cisero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iscored2onu 36 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Marcus Cisero said: I thought the thread asked us "most anticipated matches "you" (meaning me) did't see", so I figured I'd open up the thread to list a few, only to discover you already listed most of them! ;) Yeah lol. I had to provide my own list. Was curious of any I may have missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 342 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Iscored2onu said: Yeah lol. I had to provide my own list. Was curious of any I may have missed. It's all good man! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,108 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 If I had to settle on one match I'd probably say Joseph/Marinelli, assuming the Bull didn't choke on his way to the finals 1 bnwtwg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 415 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 Brooks vs. _______. The progress he made from the start to the end of the year was breathtaking. Obviously he has great FS credentials but he went from true-freshman, only good from neutral to doing the Nolf/Nickal cradle on Venz at B1G semis. I have no clue who he trains with at PSU but the Nickal influence is striking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iscored2onu 36 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Le duke said: Brooks vs. _______. The progress he made from the start to the end of the year was breathtaking. Obviously he has great FS credentials but he went from true-freshman, only good from neutral to doing the Nolf/Nickal cradle on Venz at B1G semis. I have no clue who he trains with at PSU but the Nickal influence is striking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk These are very good points. Brooks hit his stride, and he's going to do big things. I think everyone knew he was a phenom, but he made some upperclassmen look like freshmen. He will be tough to beat over the next 3(4?) years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 I thought this thread was going to be about matches we've never seen before.. many of these are rematches.. 1 nhs67 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 415 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 These are very good points. Brooks hit his stride, and he's going to do big things. I think everyone knew he was a phenom, but he made some upperclassmen look like freshmen. He will be tough to beat over the next 3(4?) years. Yeah. Watching his FS matches, he does some unconventional stuff that, in combination with the ankle pick he learned this year (in addition to his already amazing offense), will make him hard to figure out/stop. So many ways to score, and learning from the Nickal/Rasheed School of Cradling. And he seems to have developed a motor, too, which is frightening. Like this, at ~2:20: I’d like to see Brooks vs the ACC guys. Or Max Dean, if he’d been wrestling NCAAS this year. Or Valencia. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,060 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Le duke said: Brooks vs. _______. The progress he made from the start to the end of the year was breathtaking. Obviously he has great FS credentials but he went from true-freshman, only good from neutral to doing the Nolf/Nickal cradle on Venz at B1G semis. I have no clue who he trains with at PSU but the Nickal influence is striking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Two things: 1) Brooks is only a true frosh bg eligibility standards. He's been out of High School as long as Parris and Cassiopi and Gable. B) He had to grow into the weight. Yes we knew he was going to be 184, but he was making 174(79 keggers) still for freestyle up until late August. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 326 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Le duke said: Yeah. Watching his FS matches, he does some unconventional stuff that, in combination with the ankle pick he learned this year (in addition to his already amazing offense), will make him hard to figure out/stop. So many ways to score, and learning from the Nickal/Rasheed School of Cradling. And he seems to have developed a motor, too, which is frightening. Like this, at ~2:20: I’d like to see Brooks vs the ACC guys. Or Max Dean, if he’d been wrestling NCAAS this year. Or Valencia. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He already beat Dean in freestyle just a few months ago. I think folk style would be the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 415 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 Two things: 1) Brooks is only a true frosh bg eligibility standards. He's been out of High School as long as Parris and Cassiopi and Gable. B) He had to grow into the weight. Yes we knew he was going to be 184, but he was making 174(79 keggers) still for freestyle up until late August.The latter point should be terrifying for everyone else. A guy who isn’t cutting much, if at all, who didn’t have a good top game or much endurance (watch him gas at the end matches from FS or the start of the season) that picked up that much ability in one season. Anyone heard/know who his regular training partners are? Anyone think he gets in real mat time with Nickal, DT3, etc? I know we’re all lamenting the 2020 season, but I have to wonder where he’ll be ranked at the start of next year. Back on topic: The specific match I really want to see was Brooks vs Hidlay. They couldn’t meet until the final or consolations but it would be interesting to see how much Brooks has developed since 2017, when they were down at 170. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iscored2onu 36 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 9 hours ago, BigTenFanboy said: I thought this thread was going to be about matches we've never seen before.. many of these are rematches.. Most of the matches I listed are not rematches. And the heading was a question. I was asking what everyone's most anticipated matches were that they didn't see. Therefore, it's open to whatever people posted. I just gave my list as well, that is all. Sorry for your disappointment lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cary by the Lake 52 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 **** I concur on many of these, however the one I regret not seeing the most would have been Kutler vs. Kemmerer. Kemmerer straight on, many leg attacks, in your face Iowa style and raised on PA wrestling in Young Guns. But I could not see him being able to penetrate Kutler, (his strength, his ability to counter and maintain center of mat control or escape from his ride). Kutler does not score tons of points but he has been clamping opponents now that he is finally 100% healthy. I am 99% certain the Finals would be Hall vs. Kutler. Just one observers opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iscored2onu 36 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Cary by the Lake said: **** I concur on many of these, however the one I regret not seeing the most would have been Kutler vs. Kemmerer. Kemmerer straight on, many leg attacks, in your face Iowa style and raised on PA wrestling in Young Guns. But I could not see him being able to penetrate Kutler, (his strength, his ability to counter and maintain center of mat control or escape from his ride). Kutler does not score tons of points but he has been clamping opponents now that he is finally 100% healthy. I am 99% certain the Finals would be Hall vs. Kutler. Just one observers opinion. My only argument to that is Kemmerer's uncanny ability to scramble. If he can do what he did vs. Mark Hall, I have a feeling he would be fine against Kutler too in scramble situations. Hall beat Kutler 7-2. Kutler only put up 6 against Statzka. Kemmerer put up 20 against the same opponent. While that doesn't mean much, I don't see Kutler scoring much against Kemmerer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,060 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Iscored2onu said: Most of the matches I listed are not rematches. And the heading was a question. I was asking what everyone's most anticipated matches were that they didn't see. Therefore, it's open to whatever people posted. I just gave my list as well, that is all. Sorry for your disappointment lol Uh... In total you mentioned 45 different matchups. That isn't including the 'or whoever' matchups. Only ONE(1) weight class you have listed has less new matches than rematches, and that is 149lbs, with one of the three matches being a rematch. Every single other weight class, using the matches you put, have more rematches than new matches. In total 31 of 45 of the matches listed are rematches. That is greater than a 2/3rds rematch rate. 125 3 of 3. 133 3 of 5. 141 1 of 2. 149 1 of 3. 157 5 of 9. 165 2 of 3. 174 2 of 3. 184 5 of 7. 197 5 of 6. 285 4 of 4. All this said, your list is and was not disappointing. My respond is for clarity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iscored2onu 36 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Uh... In total you mentioned 45 different matchups. That isn't including the 'or whoever' matchups. Only ONE(1) weight class you have listed has less new matches than rematches, and that is 149lbs, with one of the three matches being a rematch. Every single other weight class, using the matches you put, have more rematches than new matches. In total 31 of 45 of the matches listed are rematches. That is greater than a 2/3rds rematch rate. 125 3 of 3. 133 3 of 5. 141 1 of 2. 149 1 of 3. 157 5 of 9. 165 2 of 3. 174 2 of 3. 184 5 of 7. 197 5 of 6. 285 4 of 4. All this said, your list is and was not disappointing. My respond is for clarity. I mean yeah if you're referring to rematches all-time. Hard to avoid those. I was answering, once again, in rematches this year. Need more context for your data points, I guess lol Glory vs Spencer Lee wouldn't be exciting because it's a rematch from last year? It's difficult to avoid rematches over 4 years with high quality wrestlers. They tend to meet in finals/conference tourneys. Edited March 17, 2020 by Iscored2onu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,060 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Iscored2onu said: I mean yeah if you're referring to rematches all-time. Hard to avoid those. I was answering, once again, in rematches this year. Need more context for your data points, I guess lol Glory vs Spencer Lee wouldn't be exciting because it's a rematch from last year? It's difficult to avoid rematches over 4 years with high quality wrestlers. They tend to meet in finals/conference tourneys. Never did I say it wouldn't be exciting. I was stating for data purposes only. They are rematches. For this year? The number drops to under half, but not by as much as you think. That said, every match you entered aside for Lee-Glory would have been competitive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
