Broomstick 74 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) This has probably been done before but perhaps the passage of time would make any old thread out-of-date. Based solely on college results, list the 10 best wrestlers "from each state" meaning attended all 4 years of high school in the state. I will start with Ohio, naming the best college wrestlers (from any college) who attended all 4 years of high school in Ohio. 1. Logan Stieber - 4 time Div. 1 Champ. Really no choice but to put him first given the 4 titles. 2. Lee Kemp - 3 time Div. 1 Champ, 1 time runner up. Even though Steiber has one more title, there are strong arguments Kemp should be #1 given that his loss freshman year in the finals was somewhat controversial and he did not lose another college match thereafter. Still, I'm going with Steiber over Kemp based on the simple concept of 4>3. Others may disagree. Does any other state have a better top 2? 3. David Taylor - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 2 time runner up. This was the easiest placement for the list. Taylor's level of dominance throughout his collegiate career puts him a level (or 2) above Ohio's other 2 time champs and, in my opinion, he has to be below Steiber and Kemp based on number of titles. Does any other state have a better top 3? 4. Kevin Randleman - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 1 time runner up. Only 3 years of competition due to "foregoing" his senior year. Some may say this placement is controversial since there are 4 time AAs below but there is nobody on this list who was more intimidating than "the Monster". 5. Tommy Rowlands - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 4 time AA. The greatness of the HWY weight class during his years justifies him being above some others. 6. Ryan Bertin - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 4 time AA. For various reasons, I never saw many of his matches. My loss. 7. Alan Fried - 1 time Div. 1 Champ, 2 time runner up. Only 3 years of competition due to Oklahoma State sanctions his junior year and his two runner ups were losses to Tom Brands (as were 5 of his 6 losses in college). Like Randleman, although he ended up with less titles or AAs than some below him on the list, the "eye test" justifies his higher placement. 8. Markus Mollica - 2 time Div 1 Champ, 4 time AA. An knee injury one year may have prevented a 3rd title. 9. Jim Jordan - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. The fact his first championship came via a win over John Smith causes me to put him above some of the other 2 time champs. 10. J. Jaggers - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. For various reasons, I saw so many of his matches and what a treat that was. His two titles were filled with exciting matches in the tournament, the 2nd of which I was able to attend in St. Louis. 11. Dean Heil - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. I imagine some will argue he should be at #8 or 9, which may be correct. Who knows, if he was not hampered by injury his senior year and wins another title, he is solidly in the top 3 or 4. (I had him at 10 but then remembered I left Mollica off the list when I first submitted) Edited March 17, 2020 by Broomstick 2 RavishingRickRude and stp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffrideal 154 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Broomstick said: This has probably been done before but perhaps the passage of time would make any old thread out-of-date. Based solely on college results, list the 10 best wrestlers "from each state" meaning attended all 4 years of high school in the state. I will start with Ohio, naming the best college wrestlers (from any college) who attended all 4 years of high school in Ohio. 1. Logan Stieber - 4 time Div. 1 Champ. Really no choice but to put him first given the 4 titles. 2. Lee Kemp - 3 time Div. 1 Champ, 1 time runner up. Even though Steiber has one more title, there are strong arguments Kemp should be #1 given that his loss freshman year in the finals was somewhat controversial and he did not lose another college match thereafter. Still, I'm going with Steiber over Kemp based on the simple concept of 4>3. Others may disagree. Does any other state have a better top 2? 3. David Taylor - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 2 time runner up. This was the easiest placement for the list. Taylor's level of dominance throughout his collegiate career puts him a level (or 2) above Ohio's other 2 time champs and, in my opinion, he has to be below Steiber and Kemp based on number of titles. Does any other state have a better top 3? 4. Kevin Randleman - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 1 time runner up. Only 3 years of competition due to "foregoing" his senior year. Some may say this placement is controversial since there are 4 time AAs below but there is nobody on this list who was more intimidating than "the Monster". 5. Tommy Rowlands - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 4 time AA. The greatness of the HWY weight class during his years justifies him being above some others. 6. Ryan Bertin - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 4 time AA. For various reasons, I never saw many of his matches. My loss. 7. Alan Fried - 1 time Div. 1 Champ, 2 time runner up. Only 3 years of competition due to Oklahoma State sanctions his junior year and his two runner ups were losses to Tom Brands (as were 5 of his 6 losses in college). Like Randleman, although he ended up with less titles or AAs than some below him on the list, the "eye test" justifies his higher placement. 8. Jim Jordan - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. The fact his first championship came via a win over John Smith causes me to put him above some of the other 2 time champs. 9. J. Jaggers - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. For various reasons, I saw so many of his matches and what a treat that was. His two titles were filled with exciting matches in the tournament, the 2nd of which I was able to attend in St. Louis. 10. Dean Heil - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. I imagine some will argue he should be at #8 or 9, which may be correct. Who knows, if he was not hampered by injury his senior year and wins another title, he is solidly in the top 3 or 4. How about Dan St. John, 2X NCAA champ and a 3rd place finish? I would at least place him above Heil. 1 gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broomstick 74 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jeffrideal said: How about Dan St. John, 2X NCAA champ and a 3rd place finish? I would at least place him above Heil. I forgot he had a 3rd place finish. Might should be above Jaggers too. I did the list off the top of my head and expected I would forget worthy candidates or accomplishments like St. John's 3rd AA finish. And now I just remembered I left Markus Mollica off the list and went back and added him as that was inexcusable. Edited March 17, 2020 by Broomstick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffrideal 154 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 Best one timer and for legacy purposes, Bobby Douglas. 1 Mphillips reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 730 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 New York: Kyle Dake 4x NCAA champ Dave Auble 2x NCAA champ (1x Outstanding Wrestler), 55-1 college record Yianni D. 2x NCAA champ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,223 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Broomstick said: This has probably been done before but perhaps the passage of time would make any old thread out-of-date. Based solely on college results, list the 10 best wrestlers "from each state" meaning attended all 4 years of high school in the state. I will start with Ohio, naming the best college wrestlers (from any college) who attended all 4 years of high school in Ohio. 1. Logan Stieber - 4 time Div. 1 Champ. Really no choice but to put him first given the 4 titles. 2. Lee Kemp - 3 time Div. 1 Champ, 1 time runner up. Even though Steiber has one more title, there are strong arguments Kemp should be #1 given that his loss freshman year in the finals was somewhat controversial and he did not lose another college match thereafter. Still, I'm going with Steiber over Kemp based on the simple concept of 4>3. Others may disagree. Does any other state have a better top 2? 3. David Taylor - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 2 time runner up. This was the easiest placement for the list. Taylor's level of dominance throughout his collegiate career puts him a level (or 2) above Ohio's other 2 time champs and, in my opinion, he has to be below Steiber and Kemp based on number of titles. Does any other state have a better top 3? 4. Kevin Randleman - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 1 time runner up. Only 3 years of competition due to "foregoing" his senior year. Some may say this placement is controversial since there are 4 time AAs below but there is nobody on this list who was more intimidating than "the Monster". 5. Tommy Rowlands - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 4 time AA. The greatness of the HWY weight class during his years justifies him being above some others. 6. Ryan Bertin - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 4 time AA. For various reasons, I never saw many of his matches. My loss. 7. Alan Fried - 1 time Div. 1 Champ, 2 time runner up. Only 3 years of competition due to Oklahoma State sanctions his junior year and his two runner ups were losses to Tom Brands (as were 5 of his 6 losses in college). Like Randleman, although he ended up with less titles or AAs than some below him on the list, the "eye test" justifies his higher placement. 8. Markus Mollica - 2 time Div 1 Champ, 4 time AA. An knee injury one year may have prevented a 3rd title. 9. Jim Jordan - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. The fact his first championship came via a win over John Smith causes me to put him above some of the other 2 time champs. 10. J. Jaggers - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. For various reasons, I saw so many of his matches and what a treat that was. His two titles were filled with exciting matches in the tournament, the 2nd of which I was able to attend in St. Louis. 11. Dean Heil - 2 time Div. 1 Champ, 3 time AA. I imagine some will argue he should be at #8 or 9, which may be correct. Who knows, if he was not hampered by injury his senior year and wins another title, he is solidly in the top 3 or 4. (I had him at 10 but then remembered I left Mollica off the list when I first submitted) You are bragging! :) 2 stp and Broomstick reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headache 149 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 Iowa - Dan Gable – 2 x NCAA champ, world and Olympic gold Frank Gotch – "Gotch was the first American professional wrestler to win the world heavyweight free-style championship, and credited for popularizing professional wrestling in the United States. Gotch was to wrestling history in this country what John L. Sullivan was to boxing." Tom Brands - 3 x NCAA champ, world and Olympic gold Bill Koll – career undefeated three time NCAA champion Terry Brands - 2 x NCAA champ, 2 x world gold and Olympic bronze Barry Davis – 3 x NCAA champion, 2 x world silver and Olympic silver Jim Zalesky - 3 x NCAA champion Mark Ironside – 2 x NCAA champion, Hodge winner Jeff McGinness – 2 x NCAA champion, Junior World gold Royce Alger - 2 x NCAA champ, world silver, or Tim Krieger - 2 x NCAA champion, four time #1 at NCAA tournament 2 Bodyd and MDogg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jross 521 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) Kansas Melvin Douglas >>> 2xNC-D1 | 4xAA-D1 | 1x World Champ | 6x World Team Member | 2x Olympian Myron Roderick >>> 3xNC-D1 | Olympian Eric Akin >>> 4xAA-D1 | 3x World Team Member Peter Merhinger >>> 1x Olympic Champion while sophomore in college. Kendrick Maple >>> 1xNC-D1 | 3xAA-D1 Zach Roberson >>> 1xNC-D1 | 3xAA-D1 Tyler Caldwell >>> 4xAA-D1 Eric Luedke >>> 2xNC-NJCAA | 2xAA-D1 Temoer Terry >>> 3xAA-D1 Tanner Gardner >>> 3xAA-D1 Shawn Bunch was pretty good! I am sure to be missing guys. It is hard to find information when there are no Kansas D1 schools. Edited March 18, 2020 by jross Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broomstick 74 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, klehner said: New York: Kyle Dake 4x NCAA champ Dave Auble 2x NCAA champ (1x Outstanding Wrestler), 55-1 college record Yianni D. 2x NCAA champ So if Yianni wins 2 more, I would say NY has a better top 2 than anyone else, understanding that "college wrestler" is the qualifier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headache 149 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, klehner said: New York: Kyle Dake 4x NCAA champ Dave Auble 2x NCAA champ (1x Outstanding Wrestler), 55-1 college record Yianni D. 2x NCAA champ How can you leave out the Banach brothers? 2 DanGerMan and gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CA_Wrestler 316 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 California Mark Schultz 3x NCAA D1 champ, Olympic champ, 2x WC Stephen Abas 3x NCAA D1 champ, Olympic silver Eric Guerrero 3x NCAA D1 champ Jake Varner 2x NCAA D1 champ, 4x finalist, Olympic champ, World Bronze Isaiah Martinez 2x NCAA D1 champ, 4x finalist Zahid Valencia 2x NCAA D1 champ(we all know he would have won 3) Chris Pendleton 2x NCAA D1 champ Stephen Neal 2x NCAA D1 champ Jesse Delgado 2x NCAA D1 champ Marty Kistler 2x NCAA D1 champ There are a few other guys who won 2 NCAA D1 titles in there as well. 1 Broomstick reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 730 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, headache said: How can you leave out the Banach brothers? Before my time (as measured by my following wrestling). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CJE64 21 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, klehner said: New York: Kyle Dake 4x NCAA champ Dave Auble 2x NCAA champ (1x Outstanding Wrestler), 55-1 college record Yianni D. 2x NCAA champ Gwiz 8-1-1-2 and a very very close OT 2 to a legend Jessie Jantzen 3-3-1 MOW Gregor Gillespie 4x AA with a championship in a very deep weight class Kerry Mccoy. 2x champ 3x AA Troy Nickerson 4x AA 2-3-1-4 JP O’Connor 3x AA 1 time champ...undefeated that year And two of those guys wrestled for Harvard Edited March 17, 2020 by CJE64 1 Sublime607 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyd 7 Report post Posted March 17, 2020 9 hours ago, headache said: Iowa - Dan Gable – 2 x NCAA champ, world and Olympic gold Frank Gotch – "Gotch was the first American professional wrestler to win the world heavyweight free-style championship, and credited for popularizing professional wrestling in the United States. Gotch was to wrestling history in this country what John L. Sullivan was to boxing." Tom Brands - 3 x NCAA champ, world and Olympic gold Bill Koll – career undefeated three time NCAA champion Terry Brands - 2 x NCAA champ, 2 x world gold and Olympic bronze Barry Davis – 3 x NCAA champion, 2 x world silver and Olympic silver Jim Zalesky - 3 x NCAA champion Mark Ironside – 2 x NCAA champion, Hodge winner Jeff McGinness – 2 x NCAA champion, Junior World gold Royce Alger - 2 x NCAA champ, world silver, or Tim Krieger - 2 x NCAA champion, four time #1 at NCAA tournament Mark Ironside ended his college career with a 67 match winning streak and Jim Zalesky ended his with an 89 match winning streak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 342 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 11 hours ago, klehner said: New York: Kyle Dake 4x NCAA champ Dave Auble 2x NCAA champ (1x Outstanding Wrestler), 55-1 college record Yianni D. 2x NCAA champ I’d include 4. Troy Nickerson who was our first 5 time NY state champion. Despite his injuries in college he did pull off 1 NCAA championship, took 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in other years. He was also a 3X EIWA champ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichB 226 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 Vermont: 1 Robert Hamlin as a senior 2 Robert Hamlin as a sophomore 3 Robert Hamlin as a Junior 4 Robert Hamlin as a Frosh 5 Robert Hamlin his redshirt year 2 7 Ogalthorpe Haywood, fadzaev2, brianj and 6 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CJE64 21 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, RichB said: Vermont: 1 Robert Hamlin as a senior 2 Robert Hamlin as a sophomore 3 Robert Hamlin as a Junior 4 Robert Hamlin as a Frosh 5 Robert Hamlin his redshirt year Robert Hamlin good guy to this day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,107 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 9 hours ago, jross said: Kansas Melvin Douglas >>> 2xNC-D1 | 4xAA-D1 | 1x World Champ | 6x World Team Member | 2x Olympian Myron Roderick >>> 3xNC-D1 | Olympian Eric Akin >>> 4xAA-D1 | 3x World Team Member Peter Merhinger >>> 1x Olympic Champion while sophmore in college. Kendrick Maple >>> 1xNC-D1 | 3xAA-D1 Zach Roberson >>> 1xNC-D1 | 3xAA-D1 Tyler Caldwell >>> 4xAA-D1 Eric Luedke >>> 2xNC-NJCAA | 2xAA -D1 Temoer Terry >>> 3xAA-D1 Tanner Gardner >>> 3xAA-D1 Shaun Bunch was pretty good! I am sure to be missing guys. It is hard to find information when there are no Kansas D1 schools. I wouldn't have expected such a strong list from Kansas! 1 jross reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,107 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 Some pretty awesome lists, so far. I'll plug in some names for Oklahoma Pat Smith (4xNC) John Smith (2xNC) Kenny Monday (1xNC) Chris Barnes (2xNC) Dan Hodge (3XNC) Rod Kilgore (2xNC) Mike Sheets (2XNC) Johnny Thompson (3xNC) Johny Hendricks (2xNC) Dick Hutton (3xNC) TJ Jaworsky (3xNC) Tommy Evans (2xNC) 1 jross reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broomstick 74 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, TobusRex said: Some pretty awesome lists, so far. I'll plug in some names for Oklahoma Pat Smith (4xNC) John Smith (2xNC) Kenny Monday (1xNC) Chris Barnes (2xNC) Dan Hodge (3XNC) Rod Kilgore (2xNC) Mike Sheets (2XNC) Johnny Thompson (3xNC) Johny Hendricks (2xNC) Dick Hutton (3xNC) TJ Jaworsky (3xNC) Tommy Evans (2xNC) I think we have a winner in Oklahoma? 2 TobusRex and GockeS reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingrecruit 8 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) Indiana (just college results) Andrew Howe - 1x D1 Champ, 4x All American (1/2/2/3) Angel Escobedo- 1x D1 Champ, 4x All American (1/3/4/5) Jason Tsirtsis - 1x D1 Champ, 3x All American (1/3/7) Riley Lefever- 4x D3 Champ Kelvin Jackson - 1x D1 Champ Stevan Micic - 3x All American (2/3/4) Reece Humphrey - 2x All American (2/3) Leroy Vega - 3x All American (3/5/5) Greg Wagner - 3x All American (3/4/6) Nick Lee - 2x All American (5/5) Keith Davison - 2x All American (3/5) Guys to watch: Mason Parris, Brayton Lee, Lucas Davison Thoughts I went to 11 since Davison has better finishes than Nick Lee but Nick Lee was going to win or be runner up this season... I could see Lee jumping over Reese and maybe Micic when its all over Chad Red barely misses the cut I was doing research into this and stumbled upon Kelvin Jackson - no All American finishes outside of his championship for Michigan State Wasn't sure where to put Lefever, he's a stud but d3 vs d1 finishes Another name to note is Brandon Wright, 2x NAIA champ Edited March 18, 2020 by wrestlingrecruit 1 southend reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jross 521 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 10 hours ago, TobusRex said: I wouldn't have expected such a strong list from Kansas! Agreed. The 2007 KSU proposal to bring back a D1 team has unexpected data points. Kansas had a more quantitative folkstyle club presence than its surrounding states. They had notably more athletes, clubs, and tournaments than Missouri, Oklahoma, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas. 2007 Club Athlete Counts Kansas 8,140 Missouri 5,768 Texas 3,274 Oklahoma 2,233 Iowa 2,181 Colorado 1,569 Nebraska 334 1 mlbruem reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 324 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 11 hours ago, TobusRex said: Some pretty awesome lists, so far. I'll plug in some names for Oklahoma Pat Smith (4xNC) John Smith (2xNC) Kenny Monday (1xNC) Chris Barnes (2xNC) Dan Hodge (3XNC) Rod Kilgore (2xNC) Mike Sheets (2XNC) Johnny Thompson (3xNC) Johny Hendricks (2xNC) Dick Hutton (3xNC) TJ Jaworsky (3xNC) Tommy Evans (2xNC) Pretty sure ya boy JT did not win 3 times. He was 2-1-1-3. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headache 149 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mokoma said: Pretty sure ya boy JT did not win 3 times. He was 2-1-1-3. He won three times. However, he was fortunate he only faced Kolat one time and that was Kolat's true freshman year. Kolat got upset in the semis in "94 and redshirted in "95. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 324 Report post Posted March 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, headache said: He won three times. However, he was fortunate he only faced Kolat one time and that was Kolat's true freshman year. Kolat got upset in the semis in "94 and redshirted in "95. What??? Kolat won in 96 and and 97, wasn’t JT like a 2004 graduate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
