ugarte 515 Report post Posted October 18, 2021 On 3/19/2020 at 10:13 PM, ConnorsDad said: Jason, I have always wondered this and now it seems a good time to ask. Wouldn't it help men if football was counted as a co-ed sport? Why isn't it? I realize they're probably not any women in college football but that doesn't mean they can't participate. If football was considered coed than every other sport would have equal numbers. Or is there something I'm missing? lol no. there are no women on the rosters, there are virtually no high school programs that could even feed athletes in to the programs. this is an attempt to lawyer a way out of a situation by being intentionally disingenuous. you could just as easily call wrestling a co-ed sport by this logic. football, because it is all men, and has both a disproportionately large roster and budget, will always cause problems in a Title IX numbers game but from what i can see as long as there is reasonable equity in the non-football offerings a school stands a better chance of compliance. if you really want to keep or add wrestling programs, encourage schools to sponsor field hockey. 1 RichB reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SetonHallPirate 990 Report post Posted October 18, 2021 Better idea: Insist institutions stop taking the easy way out (Prong One), and actually go through the surveys and everything involved in Prong Three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 763 Report post Posted October 18, 2021 51 minutes ago, ugarte said: lol no. there are no women on the rosters, there are virtually no high school programs that could even feed athletes in to the programs. this is an attempt to lawyer a way out of a situation by being intentionally disingenuous. you could just as easily call wrestling a co-ed sport by this logic. football, because it is all men, and has both a disproportionately large roster and budget, will always cause problems in a Title IX numbers game but from what i can see as long as there is reasonable equity in the non-football offerings a school stands a better chance of compliance. if you really want to keep or add wrestling programs, encourage schools to sponsor field hockey. They should exempt football honestly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Strub 6 Report post Posted October 18, 2021 Just get rid of football. What I found from a quick google search. Florida incident could be non-football related, but article makes note of other situations from the past decade. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-md-ci-elijah-gorham-mervo-football-player-dies-20211011-w4zgiasxmra7fgbuu5m5wpvnqe-story.html https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-health-media-new-york-649396ca6220b41ae032986ebd8371a9 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-high-school-football-player-dies-after-collapsing-during-practice-n1280300 1 SignificantACCBias reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 763 Report post Posted October 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Nicholas Strub said: Just get rid of football. What I found from a quick google search. Florida incident could be non-football related, but article makes note of other situations from the past decade. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-md-ci-elijah-gorham-mervo-football-player-dies-20211011-w4zgiasxmra7fgbuu5m5wpvnqe-story.html https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-health-media-new-york-649396ca6220b41ae032986ebd8371a9 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-high-school-football-player-dies-after-collapsing-during-practice-n1280300 Football is going to look like a glorified passing league in another 15 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman115 522 Report post Posted October 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Nicholas Strub said: Just get rid of football. What I found from a quick google search. Florida incident could be non-football related, but article makes note of other situations from the past decade. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-md-ci-elijah-gorham-mervo-football-player-dies-20211011-w4zgiasxmra7fgbuu5m5wpvnqe-story.html https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-health-media-new-york-649396ca6220b41ae032986ebd8371a9 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-high-school-football-player-dies-after-collapsing-during-practice-n1280300 Seriously?!?! <eye roll> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 515 Report post Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 3:05 PM, TripNSweep said: They should exempt football honestly. that would only encourage more bloat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayz 161 Report post Posted October 20, 2021 I believe we have 3 or 4 hbcus with wrestling. Arkansas Baptist of the NAIA which has horrid support, Allen also comes to mind. Want to say Jarvis Christian too, but no roster or coach listed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 On 3/19/2020 at 6:40 PM, TripNSweep said: Didn't David Morgan who later wrestled for Michigan State start at a HBCU? I thought he wrestled for Howard but I could be wrong. He wrestled for Morgan State his freshman year and was an NCAA qualifier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SetonHallPirate 990 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, fadzaev2 said: He wrestled for Morgan State his freshman year and was an NCAA qualifier. Did somebody mention Morgan State? 4 hubman, CoachWrestling, balanceseeker and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 763 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said: Did somebody mention Morgan State? That's f*****g awesome! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubman 5 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 https://www.flowrestling.org/video/7181681-hbcu-wrestling-and-morgan-state-announce-new-wrestling-program "HBCUW will reestablish wrestling programs on HBCU campuses, starting with Morgan State University. Over the course of the next five years, HBCUW will launch wrestling programs and begin endowments at six HBCUs with the goal of expanding access to the opportunities created by wrestling for the Black community, expanding the Black community’s footprint and power within the sport, and investing in the critical institutions that HBCUs represent. " This is so awesome!!! I have told my Wife for years, that if I had ever won the lottery one of the first things I would do is endow the wrestling program at Howard University. Seems like someone else had a similar dream!! I wonder how they will pick the next 5 teams (Location, History, Support)? The coaching search for Morgan should be interesting!! 3 Yellow_Medal, boconnell and balanceseeker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DuckFor2 216 Report post Posted October 21, 2021 probably Cheyney's last great wrestler was Kendall Southerland who lost in NCAA DII finals in OT in 1992. He did not qualify as a Senior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 1,454 Report post Posted February 20 2 denger and TexRef reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,009 Report post Posted February 20 On 10/21/2021 at 8:35 AM, fadzaev2 said: He wrestled for Morgan State his freshman year and was an NCAA qualifier. His older brother Charlie went there first and stayed. He was a 3x qualifier, but only won a couple of matches. He was a bit bigger than Dave as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denger 363 Report post Posted February 20 5 hours ago, 1032004 said: This is great! I wonder who the candidates will be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,479 Report post Posted February 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, denger said: This is great! I wonder who the candidates will be. Given the money behind this initiative, I have to imagine that they will be able to hire somebody with outstanding credentials. Kevin Jackson and Kerry McCoy himself come to mind. Who are some of the top assistants out there? Maybe somebody from the high school ranks like Joe Williams? Or would Daniel Cormier consider this? With the location in Baltimore, McCoy seems like the natural choice with his ties to the state. Edited February 20 by Billyhoyle 1 denger reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fadzaev2 545 Report post Posted February 20 6 hours ago, MSU158 said: His older brother Charlie went there first and stayed. He was a 3x qualifier, but only won a couple of matches. He was a bit bigger than Dave as well. I think I remember Dave Dameron wrestling Charlie in a dual in Crisler Arena in the 90's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Peepers 25 Report post Posted February 21 5 hours ago, Billyhoyle said: Given the money behind this initiative, I have to imagine that they will be able to hire somebody with outstanding credentials. Kevin Jackson and Kerry McCoy himself come to mind. Who are some of the top assistants out there? Maybe somebody from the high school ranks like Joe Williams? Or would Daniel Cormier consider this? With the location in Baltimore, McCoy seems like the natural choice with his ties to the state. Please no. McCoy completely gutted the UMD program- the further he stays away from Morgan State, the better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,479 Report post Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Mr. Peepers said: Please no. McCoy completely gutted the UMD program- the further he stays away from Morgan State, the better. He did well at Stanford. Morgan State is going to be a unique and challenging situation and is completely different than Maryland. Having somebody experienced like Mccoy would be great. Building a new program isn't about instant success-it's about doing things the right way (i.e. not like how things happened at Fresno State) and building institutional/regional support. I think he could do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 1,454 Report post Posted February 21 12 hours ago, Billyhoyle said: Given the money behind this initiative, I have to imagine that they will be able to hire somebody with outstanding credentials. Kevin Jackson and Kerry McCoy himself come to mind. Who are some of the top assistants out there? Maybe somebody from the high school ranks like Joe Williams? Or would Daniel Cormier consider this? With the location in Baltimore, McCoy seems like the natural choice with his ties to the state. How about Obe Blanc? Currently the associate head coach at NDSU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 763 Report post Posted February 21 Akil Patterson? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,479 Report post Posted February 21 (edited) 10 hours ago, 1032004 said: How about Obe Blanc? Currently the associate head coach at NDSU. Maybe? I'm not sure how much his doping violation will be held against him when it comes to taking over a program though. I know what Nick Simmons did was significantly worse than doping, but I think part of why he left the college coaching ranks and went into running a private training center was seeing the writing on the wall for head coaching jobs despite his athletic qualifications. Edited February 21 by Billyhoyle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,029 Report post Posted February 21 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: Maybe? I'm not sure how much his doping violation will be held against him when it comes to taking over a program though. I know what Nick Simmons did was significantly worse than doping, but I think part of why he left the college coaching ranks and went into running a private training center was seeing the writing on the wall for head coaching jobs despite his athletic qualifications. I don’t think they will care about the doping violation but could be wrong. As an aside, pretty interesting that Blanc, Oliver, and Fix (all Oklahoma State Cowboys) have doping violations. I’m not even sure any of them were on campus at the same time as the others but I can’t think of any other programs with that many alumni busted for doping. Edited February 21 by wrestlingphish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jp157 517 Report post Posted February 22 13 hours ago, Billyhoyle said: Maybe? I'm not sure how much his doping violation will be held against him when it comes to taking over a program though. I know what Nick Simmons did was significantly worse than doping, but I think part of why he left the college coaching ranks and went into running a private training center was seeing the writing on the wall for head coaching jobs despite his athletic qualifications. What did Nick Simmons do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
