Solution for next year

[TripNSweep 470]

Simple solution but why not just have the 2020 NCAA tournament in October or sometime in the fall?  Just let everybody who is a senior and qualified wrestle, that would give everybody plenty of time to train and get ready and not interfere with the Olympic trials which will probably be next year sometime.  Also it lets seniors who graduated or were about to graduate stay only for one extra semester instead of an entire year, lessening the burden of scholarships.  Just throwing it out there.  

[ionel 1,324]

5 minutes ago, TripNSweep said:

Simple solution but why not just have the 2020 NCAA tournament in October or sometime in the fall?  Just let everybody who is a senior and qualified wrestle, that would give everybody plenty of time to train and get ready and not interfere with the Olympic trials which will probably be next year sometime.  Also it lets seniors who graduated or were about to graduate stay only for one extra semester instead of an entire year, lessening the burden of scholarships.  Just throwing it out there.  

and basketball?

[TripNSweep 470]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

and basketball?

Who cares.

[Lurker 1,397]

7 hours ago, TripNSweep said:

Simple solution but why not just have the 2020 NCAA tournament in October or sometime in the fall?  Just let everybody who is a senior and qualified wrestle, that would give everybody plenty of time to train and get ready and not interfere with the Olympic trials which will probably be next year sometime.  Also it lets seniors who graduated or were about to graduate stay only for one extra semester instead of an entire year, lessening the burden of scholarships.  Just throwing it out there.  

The answer to your why not is because they can’t just do it for wrestling. All or none. (Don’t forget spring sports too, who lost their entire regular season)

[bill_crum 6]

Two of the issues seem to be how team scores at conference tournaments might be affected and how granting another year of eligibility might impact other wrestlers including incoming freshmen.  

Here's my idea that I think addresses both issues.

1.    All seniors who qualified for 2020 NCAA’s are granted another year of eligibility.
  a.    May not be used as Red Shirt year

2.    All seniors who qualified for 2020 Division 1 Nationals are considered as having qualified for 2021.
  a.    Must be in the same weight class as 2020
  b.    Must compete for the same school as 2020
  c.    Schools that have a wrestler who is choosing this route may enter another wrestler in the 2021 Conference qualifying event at that weight.
  d.    Seniors who qualified in 2020 who choose this route to the 2021 Nationals may not compete in their local qualifying Conference event.
       i.    If they do, they live or die with the results of the Conference Tournament and they must be the only wrestler entered from their school.
      ii.    Wrestler may compete at a different weight than 2020, but by doing so must enter qualifier and school forfeits the option for the school to enter a second wrestler.
  e.    At NCAA’s wrestlers from the same school will not automatically be separated from each other. If their seeded positions pair them against each other early, so be it.

3.    Field at 2021 NCAA Division 1 Nationals increases from 31/weight to accommodate seniors who qualified in 2020.
  a.    Pig tail added for each 2020 senior who chooses this option. This is likely to be a small number since only seniors from 2020 who choose to remain in school at the same weight would qualify for this exception.
  b.    Schedule of rounds/sessions would need to be adjusted to accommodate more pig tails in both championship and consolation rounds
 

[SamStall365247 141]

1 hour ago, bill_crum said:

Two of the issues seem to be how team scores at conference tournaments might be affected and how granting another year of eligibility might impact other wrestlers including incoming freshmen.  

Here's my idea that I think addresses both issues.

1.    All seniors who qualified for 2020 NCAA’s are granted another year of eligibility.
  a.    May not be used as Red Shirt year

2.    All seniors who qualified for 2020 Division 1 Nationals are considered as having qualified for 2021.
  a.    Must be in the same weight class as 2020
  b.    Must compete for the same school as 2020
  c.    Schools that have a wrestler who is choosing this route may enter another wrestler in the 2021 Conference qualifying event at that weight.
  d.    Seniors who qualified in 2020 who choose this route to the 2021 Nationals may not compete in their local qualifying Conference event.
       i.    If they do, they live or die with the results of the Conference Tournament and they must be the only wrestler entered from their school.
      ii.    Wrestler may compete at a different weight than 2020, but by doing so must enter qualifier and school forfeits the option for the school to enter a second wrestler.
  e.    At NCAA’s wrestlers from the same school will not automatically be separated from each other. If their seeded positions pair them against each other early, so be it.

3.    Field at 2021 NCAA Division 1 Nationals increases from 31/weight to accommodate seniors who qualified in 2020.
  a.    Pig tail added for each 2020 senior who chooses this option. This is likely to be a small number since only seniors from 2020 who choose to remain in school at the same weight would qualify for this exception.
  b.    Schedule of rounds/sessions would need to be adjusted to accommodate more pig tails in both championship and consolation rounds
 

But why just seniors? Everyone lost out on the chance to make AA and win a national title. 

[ionel 1,324]

8 hours ago, TripNSweep said:

Who cares.

Well I certainly don't but unfortunately the NCAA does and isn't going to allow a solution that only works for 1 sport.  :(

[bill_crum 6]

47 minutes ago, SamStall365247 said:

But why just seniors? Everyone lost out on the chance to make AA and win a national title. 

I would like that, but it would be pretty unwieldy with that many.  And everyone except seniors who used all 4 years at least still have the opportunity. 

[nhs67 1,053]

3 hours ago, bill_crum said:

Two of the issues seem to be how team scores at conference tournaments might be affected and how granting another year of eligibility might impact other wrestlers including incoming freshmen.  

Here's my idea that I think addresses both issues.

1.    All seniors who qualified for 2020 NCAA’s are granted another year of eligibility.
  a.    May not be used as Red Shirt year

2.    All seniors who qualified for 2020 Division 1 Nationals are considered as having qualified for 2021.
  a.    Must be in the same weight class as 2020
  b.    Must compete for the same school as 2020
  c.    Schools that have a wrestler who is choosing this route may enter another wrestler in the 2021 Conference qualifying event at that weight.
  d.    Seniors who qualified in 2020 who choose this route to the 2021 Nationals may not compete in their local qualifying Conference event.
       i.    If they do, they live or die with the results of the Conference Tournament and they must be the only wrestler entered from their school.
      ii.    Wrestler may compete at a different weight than 2020, but by doing so must enter qualifier and school forfeits the option for the school to enter a second wrestler.
  e.    At NCAA’s wrestlers from the same school will not automatically be separated from each other. If their seeded positions pair them against each other early, so be it.

3.    Field at 2021 NCAA Division 1 Nationals increases from 31/weight to accommodate seniors who qualified in 2020.
  a.    Pig tail added for each 2020 senior who chooses this option. This is likely to be a small number since only seniors from 2020 who choose to remain in school at the same weight would qualify for this exception.
  b.    Schedule of rounds/sessions would need to be adjusted to accommodate more pig tails in both championship and consolation rounds
 

This needs to be expanded to include every wrestler from this season that qualified to have an opportunity for one(1) more season(not including redshirt or medical redshirt).

I believe if you take this and apply it to the end of every single qualifier's career as an option, that it would work.

So for Glory of Princeton as a Sophomore now, he would get a standard two more seasons, then the year after his senior season all these would apply.

Meaning if he goes 133 his senior season, he would be required to then go 133 for the additional Covid-Makeup-Qualification.

Add in a stipulation that for team scoring purposes the highest SEEDED or highest PLACED or that the additional year gents CANNOT score team points for each school scores team points as well. Pick one. Perhaps stipulation that the grappler MUST wrestle conference championship to be allowed to score team points.

You have squads like Penn State who could essentially send three additional toons(165, 174, 197) or Ohio State (two with 141, 197) and win titles, yet not get team points for them.

Imagine Hall-Starocci finals next season and Hall wins it and it costs Penn State the title.

[spladle 179]

Fun thought experiment, but it will never happen.  Time to move on.

[TripNSweep 470]

My idea for a October/November tournament would just be a continuation of this season.  It would still leave enough time for duals and such on the schedule for 2021, cap the 2020 seniors to only one extra semester, and once that concluded then they would just have a break and roll right into the 20-21 season.  

[Cptafw164 99]

It’s over.  Global crisis.  Sure it is unfair, but they are wrestlers, they have the resolve.  If this is the WORST thing that happens in their life, they will be just fine.

[AnklePicker 531]

Here’s a NJ article about possibly having it in November you might be interested in:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/sports/2020/03/nj-college-wrestlers-ultimate-dream-got-canceled-could-ncaa-grant-relief.html%3foutputType=amp

[Full Nelson 63]

I doubt we'll have sporting events next fall.