Witherman 351 Report post Posted March 30 https://hawkeyesports.com/news/2020/3/30/spencer-lee-wins-dan-hodge-trophy.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 30 Good for him, well earned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 308 Report post Posted March 30 (edited) Should have been Moore. Make these guys wrestle, not these short schedules. Bad precedent is now set. Edited March 30 by CoachWrestling 4 1 BLT, ironmonkey, Ogalthorpe Haywood and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, CoachWrestling said: Should have been Moore. Make these guys wrestle, not these short schedules. I would have been happy to see Moore win it, but I don’t think Spencer deserved it less due to that argument Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 701 Report post Posted March 30 (edited) In a season without the NCAA championships, you'd think they'd go with someone who had a tougher schedule. (Lee, of course, is amazing.) Edited March 30 by Katie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,016 Report post Posted March 30 Only hodge winning to not win a title in that season Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 308 Report post Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, Schuteandscore said: I would have been happy to see Moore win it, but I don’t think Spencer deserved it less due to that argument He defaulted at the Midlands, missed a couple duals. Give it to the guy who showed up. 2 DocBZ and ironmonkey reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, CoachWrestling said: He defaulted at the Midlands, missed a couple duals. Give it to the guy who showed up. This has been talked about in many threads. I am not saying your stance is wrong, I just don’t agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tec87 345 Report post Posted March 30 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CoachWrestling said: Should have been Moore. Make these guys wrestle, not these short schedules. Bad precedent is now set. Moore 27-0 Lee 18-0 in ncaa and 5-0 at senior open freestyle beating 2 former ncaa champs. So 23-0 total. That’s not bad at all. Lee defaulted out of the semis in midlands and missed one dual. Let’s not act like he only wrestled half the season. Edited March 30 by tec87 1 MDogg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 521 Report post Posted March 30 TheMat article says, "the two-time national champion outscored opponents by a whopping 234-18 margin." Has any Hodge winner matched this score differential? Maybe Cael. 1 DoubleHalf reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 2,470 Report post Posted March 30 Congrats! By criteria, this was the easy choice with Zahid being eliminated from the pool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,116 Report post Posted March 30 7 minutes ago, CoachWrestling said: He defaulted at the Midlands, missed a couple duals. Give it to the guy who showed up. I'd agree, a short schedule is one thing but defaulting out of a tournament!? Did Hodge ever default a match? I dont think so! :( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Witherman 351 Report post Posted March 30 sorry I didn't know the hodge trophy was awarded based on most matches wrestled without losing? moore had 5 matches that were decided by 4 points or less. spencer's closest match was 7 points. multiple bonus point victories over the top competition. 5 vsnej, herma48852, Dondante88 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,166 Report post Posted March 30 1 minute ago, NJDan said: TheMat article says, "the two-time national champion outscored opponents by a whopping 234-18 margin." Has any Hodge winner matched this score differential? Maybe Cael. Probably not but they also didn't have 4 point nearfall to work with 2 Schuteandscore and JHRoseWrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 30 1 minute ago, ionel said: I'd agree, a short schedule is one thing but defaulting out of a tournament!? Did Hodge ever default a match? I dont think so! :( Maybe not, but I still don’t think Hodge himself would have a problem with this choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,116 Report post Posted March 30 6 minutes ago, NJDan said: TheMat article says, "the two-time national champion outscored opponents by a whopping 234-18 margin." Has any Hodge winner matched this score differential? Maybe Cael. Hodge was a pinner, if you want score differential look at Mike Sheets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 340 Report post Posted March 30 Of course the Iowa fans here are all over this. Good for Spencer but it should have been MOORE. 1 DocBZ reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 30 1 minute ago, Marcus Cisero said: Of course the Iowa fans here are all over this. Good for Spencer but it should have been MOORE. Same argument? Or do you have another reason to take this stance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 340 Report post Posted March 30 (edited) Where's Pamela - she did an interesting study late February on past Hodge trophy winners based on FACTS. Her findings - the vast majority of Hodge winners have 30 or more matches in a season under their belt. Lee has no where near that. My opinion - Kollin Moore should have won. I agree with what Coach said - this sets a terrible precedent for wrestling.. After what took place on ESPN yesterday and now this, wrestling is being led by leaderless leaders. Edited March 30 by Marcus Cisero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 2,470 Report post Posted March 30 9 minutes ago, Marcus Cisero said: Of course the Iowa fans here are all over this. Good for Spencer but it should have been MOORE. Criteria for the award includes a wrestler’s record, number of pins, dominance on the mat, past credentials, quality of competition, sportsmanship/citizenship and heart. That's directly from the WIN website. Record: Equal, they're both undefeated. Number of pins: Equal, they both have 4, though it should be noted Spencer's pins were over better guys. Dominance on the Mat: Spencer. Bonus in every match but one. Past credentials: Spencer, two time champion. Quality of competition: Equal at best for Moore. His best win was over Eric Schultz. Spencer majored Nick Piccininni. Sportsmanship and heart are always a wash. Anyway, it's an easy call by criteria. 6 Dondante88, NJDan, Doc_Hfuhruhurr and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 559 Report post Posted March 30 34 minutes ago, Schuteandscore said: I would have been happy to see Moore win it, but I don’t think Spencer deserved it less due to that argument While I agree, that is the only argument in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, Marcus Cisero said: Where's Pamela - she did an interesting study late February on past Hodge trophy winners based on FACTS. Her findings - the vast majority of Hodge winners have 30 or more matches in a season under their belt. Lee has no where near that. My opinion - Kollin Moore should have won. I agree with what Coach said - this sets a terrible precedent for wrestling.. I don’t think it does, I even was rooting for Moore but don’t think there is anything wrong with this choice. It doesn’t set a bad precedent at all. Also, in those facts that were studied over the 30 years, did any of them have a season that ended prior to the NCAA tournament, due to a pandemic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 53 Report post Posted March 30 1 minute ago, Mphillips said: While I agree, that is the only argument in it. Exactly 1 Mphillips reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,126 Report post Posted March 30 4 pins? The traditional Hodger gets that many pins in one weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcus Cisero 340 Report post Posted March 30 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Schuteandscore said: I don’t think it does, I even was rooting for Moore but don’t think there is anything wrong with this choice. It doesn’t set a bad precedent at all. Also, in those facts that were studied over the 30 years, did any of them have a season that ended prior to the NCAA tournament, due to a pandemic? I'll tell you what - I'll meet you half way. Perhaps the Hodge trophy should not have even been awarded at all since the NCAA championships never took place. I for one wanted to see Lee vs Glory and or Lee vs Mueller. I'm happy for Lee but it means nothing to Mee. Edited March 30 by Marcus Cisero 1 NJDan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
