Obelix 15 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 I am guessing that this has been done before, but here goes anyway. I'm meeting online with some coaching buddies tonight, and the challenge was for each of us to pick an All-Star team from 2000 and later. There are a few caveats, however. You can't pick the same guy for multiple weights and it isn't necessarily the best guy in each weight, as you might pick one guy--Dake, most likely--at a different weight to fit other guys in. Here's what I have, and I would love to hear your thoughts: 125- Abas, with Spencer Lee a close second. 133- Probably the toughest one. I went with Travis Lee, but Oliver, Scott, Nahshon, Valenti, and Gomez are obviously in the mix, too. 141- Stieber or Yianni? This is sure a tough one. I'm picking Yianni, but it's a very close call. 149- Larkin, Metcalf, Caldwell, Retherford....but I'm going with Dake. 157- While Burroughs was probably best at this weight--and his weight class was incredible--I want to put him at 165 so I put Nolf here. 165- I'm going with Burroughs over Hendricks, Perry, and Taylor. 174- Askren, Pendleton, Ruth, or Zahid? You could go with any of these guys reasonably. A very slight lean to Askren, but I could be convinced otherwise. 184- Cael was halfway decent, so I'm going with him here. 197- Rosholt, Varner, Quentin, Bo, or J'Den? I'm going with J'Den. 285- While these other guys were obviously incredible, I think we have to go with Snyder here. It would sure be interesting to see him against monsters like Mocco, Konrad, and Rowlands, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 2,617 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 125: Spencer Lee/Anthony Robles 133: Travis Lee/Jordan Oliver 141: Logan Stieber/Yianni D 149: Brent Metcalf/Zain Retherford 157: Jordan Burroughs/Jason Nolf 165: Kyle Dake/David Taylor 174: Ben Askren/Chris Pendleton 184: Ed Ruth/Bo Nickal 197: Cael Sanderson/J'Den Cox HW: Kyle Snyder/Cole Konrad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 62 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 125 Abas 133 Stieber 141 Yianni 149 Schlatter 157 Nolf 165 Burroughs 174 Ruth 184 Nickal 197 Cael 285 Rowlands 1 Ohio Elite reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokoma 268 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Obelix said: I am guessing that this has been done before, but here goes anyway. I'm meeting online with some coaching buddies tonight, and the challenge was for each of us to pick an All-Star team from 2000 and later. There are a few caveats, however. You can't pick the same guy for multiple weights and it isn't necessarily the best guy in each weight, as you might pick one guy--Dake, most likely--at a different weight to fit other guys in. Here's what I have, and I would love to hear your thoughts: 125- Abas, with Spencer Lee a close second. 133- Probably the toughest one. I went with Travis Lee, but Oliver, Scott, Nahshon, Valenti, and Gomez are obviously in the mix, too. 141- Stieber or Yianni? This is sure a tough one. I'm picking Yianni, but it's a very close call. 149- Larkin, Metcalf, Caldwell, Retherford....but I'm going with Dake. 157- While Burroughs was probably best at this weight--and his weight class was incredible--I want to put him at 165 so I put Nolf here. 165- I'm going with Burroughs over Hendricks, Perry, and Taylor. 174- Askren, Pendleton, Ruth, or Zahid? You could go with any of these guys reasonably. A very slight lean to Askren, but I could be convinced otherwise. 184- Cael was halfway decent, so I'm going with him here. 197- Rosholt, Varner, Quentin, Bo, or J'Den? I'm going with J'Den. 285- While these other guys were obviously incredible, I think we have to go with Snyder here. It would sure be interesting to see him against monsters like Mocco, Konrad, and Rowlands, though. So this is a 20 year team? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrissn2001 79 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) I'm going to take a different perspective maybe. I looked on Wikipedia to see the Hodge winners since 2000 based on weight class. Here's what I have: 125: Lee 133: Ness 141: Steiber 149: Retherford (twice) 157: No Hodge winner, so Nolf vs. Burroughs maybe? I want to choose JB because of later contributions, but Nolf probably had better college stats. 165: Dieringer/Taylor/Dake...nod to Dake based on most champs, but wow tough group. Edit: maybe the nod should go to DT, who won it twice at this weight. 174: Askren 184: Sanderson (2X at the weight) 197: Nickal/Wilson...nod to Nickal for most championships 285: Mocco Edited April 3, 2020 by Chrissn2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PSUSMC 151 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 125 - Abas 133 - JThompson 141 - Jaggers 149 - Zain 157 - Nolf 165 - Dake 174 - Pendleton 184 - Nickal 197 - Cael 285 - King Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 125 Abas 133 Thompson 141 Stieber 149 Retherford 157 Dake 165 JB 174 Askren 184 Sanderson 197 Rosholt Hwt Konrad Edited April 3, 2020 by GockeS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,240 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 How could any possibly have Askren over Pendelton? Pendelton owned Askren! 1 1 gobraves101905 and Bozak2018 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tec87 349 Report post Posted April 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, ionel said: How could any possibly have Askren over Pendelton? Pendelton owned Askren! Easy. Pendleton led the series as Ben was a Frosh/Soph. Senior year Ben was another level from where he was then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,240 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, tec87 said: Easy. Pendleton led the series as Ben was a Frosh/Soph. Senior year Ben was another level from where he was then. Nah ... jr/sr Ben just didn't have Pendelton in his way anymore. No doubt Askren was very very good but Pendelton was obviously better than Askren. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 201 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Schuteandscore said: 125 Abas 133 Stieber 141 Yianni 149 Schlatter 157 Nolf 165 Burroughs 174 Ruth 184 Nickal 197 Cael 285 Rowlands Even a hypothetically healthy (for 4 seasons) Schlatter over Dake seems crazy, and I feel like Taylor needs a spot, but I'm on board with most of the rest. Tough to pick between Lee, Abas, and 2011 Robles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whaletail 201 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 3 hours ago, ionel said: Nah ... jr/sr Ben just didn't have Pendelton in his way anymore. No doubt Askren was very very good but Pendelton was obviously better than Askren. You really don't think Askren improved significantly over his last two years? Considering how late he developed (IIRC, his redshirt year wasn't even that special), it seems unlikely he stagnated so quickly. 1 MSU158 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schuteandscore 62 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 7 hours ago, whaletail said: Even a hypothetically healthy (for 4 seasons) Schlatter over Dake seems crazy, and I feel like Taylor needs a spot, but I'm on board with most of the rest. Tough to pick between Lee, Abas, and 2011 Robles. Yeah, I’d like Taylor in there too. Love Dake too and wanted him in, but not at 149. As crazy as it may seem, I do think a healthy Schlatter was every bit as good as Dake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headache 124 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 125 Abas 133 Stieber 141 Yianni 149 Dake 157 Burroughs 165 Taylor 174 Pendleton 184 Sanderson 197 Cox Hwt Snyder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obelix 15 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 We had a fun debate on this last night. A couple of the essential questions: - 133 is a tough one. Some of you guys put Stieber there, which is a good call in order to fit Yianni at 141. Thompson was sure fun to watch, too. - Since you can move Dake and Burroughs around a bit, who is the next best guy: Taylor, Metcalf, Nolf, Retherford, Schlatter.......? - Since you can move Cael around, who is the next best guy: Cox, Bo, Ruth, Rosholt....? - This doesn't need to be said, but it's sure amazing what Penn State has done. Their champs seem to maintain their dominance, which is obviously incredibly hard to do in this day and age. Thanks for all the replies. This is fun to do anyway, but especially since most of us have a little more time on our hands these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsnej 190 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Schuteandscore said: Yeah, I’d like Taylor in there too. Love Dake too and wanted him in, but not at 149. As crazy as it may seem, I do think a healthy Schlatter was every bit as good as Dake. Yeah, going with Taylor at 165 with 2 Hodges and Gorriaran 1 Schuteandscore reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GockeS 403 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, ionel said: How could any possibly have Askren over Pendelton? Pendelton owned Askren! when askren was younger askren is a 4 time finalist pendelton twice. and a third place. i love them both askren beat herbert 14-2 Edited April 4, 2020 by GockeS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hotspur 12 Report post Posted April 4, 2020 5 hours ago, vsnej said: Yeah, going with Taylor at 165 with 2 Hodges and Gorriaran And a "perfect" record against Dake. Dake is the outstanding college wrestler of the century, wiping out not one, not two, but four weight classes...including that two-time Hodge winner to cap it off. 1 jon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jchapman 1,070 Report post Posted April 5, 2020 7 hours ago, GockeS said: when askren was younger askren is a 4 time finalist pendelton twice. and a third place. i love them both askren beat herbert 14-2 Also Askren won two Hodges! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red blades 245 Report post Posted April 5, 2020 On 4/4/2020 at 7:19 AM, Schuteandscore said: Yeah, I’d like Taylor in there too. Love Dake too and wanted him in, but not at 149. As crazy as it may seem, I do think a healthy Schlatter was every bit as good as Dake. Yeah, Dake sucks at fantasy matchups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsnej 190 Report post Posted April 5, 2020 17 hours ago, hotspur said: And a "perfect" record against Dake. Dake is the outstanding college wrestler of the century, wiping out not one, not two, but four weight classes...including that two-time Hodge winner to cap it off. I would rather have Dake at 141 so I can put Taylor at 165 - he did outscore the champ in 2013 NCAA's as well as winning Gorriaran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hotspur 12 Report post Posted April 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, vsnej said: I would rather have Dake at 141 so I can put Taylor at 165 - he did outscore the champ in 2013 NCAA's as well as winning Gorriaran This is funny. Gorriaran? Outscoring the champ? Who gives a rat's behind? Who outscored whom in the match that mattered? What matters is having your hand raised on Saturday night. In the match everyone was waiting to see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsnej 190 Report post Posted April 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, hotspur said: This is funny. Gorriaran? Outscoring the champ? Who gives a rat's behind? Who outscored whom in the match that mattered? What matters is having your hand raised on Saturday night. In the match everyone was waiting to see. Maybe you should re-read the proposed criteria of this post - I just think the all star team would be better with Taylor at 165 and Dake at 141 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,506 Report post Posted April 5, 2020 On 4/3/2020 at 11:52 PM, whaletail said: You really don't think Askren improved significantly over his last two years? Considering how late he developed (IIRC, his redshirt year wasn't even that special), it seems unlikely he stagnated so quickly. There is no doubt he improved considerably. The Askren documentary on FLO did a great job showing how Askren went from being so frustrated as a true freshman getting pounded in the room, to the “grandmaster of funk”. Pendleton was a beast his last 2 seasons and had the offensive skill set to finish cleanly on Askren early on. But, Askren was on a different level his last 2 seasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites