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On 4/25/2020 at 6:09 PM, calot said:

Cronin to Nebraska.He was 2-1 against Thomsen this year.Does that mean Thomsen goes up to 133 while Lovett RS time will tell.

I've heard Lovett is going up to 141 and will redshirt. So it could be 125-Cronin 133-Thomsen. Unless Serrano beats one of them out and wrestles as a true freshmen?

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12 minutes ago, funnyfletcher said:

I've heard Lovett is going up to 141 and will redshirt. So it could be 125-Cronin 133-Thomsen. Unless Serrano beats one of them out and wrestles as a true freshmen?

I heard the same .Serrano will RS.Lovett RS and be 141 when Red is done.125 Cronin 133 Thomsen

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40 minutes ago, A Bigtime Fan said:

The entire transfer portal has created a Free Agency market in the sport.  I think it is bad for the NCAA.  What we had before was fine. Now you have every disgruntled kid threatening to head to the portal.

Also creates a system where the top schools can suck the talent from the already endangered programs. 

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2 hours ago, MadMardigain said:

Also creates a system where the top schools can suck the talent from the already endangered programs. 

Like blueblood powerhouses Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois-Edwardsville? Or does it only work one way?

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5 hours ago, A Bigtime Fan said:

The entire transfer portal has created a Free Agency market in the sport.  I think it is bad for the NCAA.  What we had before was fine. Now you have every disgruntled kid threatening to head to the portal.

Would you stay in a workplace you hated?
If another employer wanted to offer you more money for the same exact job, would you take it?

There's plenty of D1-caliber wrestlers to fit all of the schools we have, and then some. If a top-notch athlete wants to go to an R1 institution after they've earned some offers, let em. Would you tell a blue-chip recruit that started at an NAIA or D2/D3 to stay where they started? Or to exercise their right to agency, like how any other worker does in a free market? 

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5 hours ago, moodybooty said:

Would you stay in a workplace you hated?
If another employer wanted to offer you more money for the same exact job, would you take it?

There's plenty of D1-caliber wrestlers to fit all of the schools we have, and then some. If a top-notch athlete wants to go to an R1 institution after they've earned some offers, let em. Would you tell a blue-chip recruit that started at an NAIA or D2/D3 to stay where they started? Or to exercise their right to agency, like how any other worker does in a free market? 

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7 hours ago, moodybooty said:

Would you stay in a workplace you hated?
If another employer wanted to offer you more money for the same exact job, would you take it?

There's plenty of D1-caliber wrestlers to fit all of the schools we have, and then some. If a top-notch athlete wants to go to an R1 institution after they've earned some offers, let em. Would you tell a blue-chip recruit that started at an NAIA or D2/D3 to stay where they started? Or to exercise their right to agency, like how any other worker does in a free market? 

That's true in the scenario you created to argue the point... there is also another scenario where employers at a company are trying to build a good product and are treating you very good - investing in you as a building block to that success, but can't offer quite yet what the big company will give you....Only to have those said employees jump ship for a fortune 5 company. Yes we all know people have freedom and there is a free market...yep...but we also understand that there are coaches out there working their butts off to improve their program only to have it robbed. Both scenarios are true. 

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5 minutes ago, Idaho said:

That's true in the scenario you created to argue the point... there is also another scenario where employers at a company are trying to build a good product and are treating you very good - investing in you as a building block to that success, but can't offer quite yet what the big company will give you....Only to have those said employees jump ship for a fortune 5 company. Yes we all know people have freedom and there is a free market...yep...but we also understand that there are coaches out there working their butts off to improve their program only to have it robbed. Both scenarios are true. 

Both scenarios are true, but that doesn’t justify the rule. 
  
I don’t think the scenario will play out like you suggest very often. Most guys have no interest in leaving their team, and if they due it is usually due to other factors. Not making the starting lineup seems to be the most common reason, followed up by academics/eligibility challenges. 
  
even if it does, the coaches need to own that. That is part of running a smaller program. We shouldn’t limit wrestler’s ability to get the training they want, the financial support they want, etc to protect teams. 
 

with that said, They should enforce the no contact rules for wrestlers who have signed an NLI. It is obviously being circumvented, if not outright violated, by prominent coaches. 
  
 

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8 hours ago, moodybooty said:

Would you stay in a workplace you hated?
If another employer wanted to offer you more money for the same exact job, would you take it?

There's plenty of D1-caliber wrestlers to fit all of the schools we have, and then some. If a top-notch athlete wants to go to an R1 institution after they've earned some offers, let em. Would you tell a blue-chip recruit that started at an NAIA or D2/D3 to stay where they started? Or to exercise their right to agency, like how any other worker does in a free market? 

Great example of this is Isaiah White who won a D2 title at Notre Dame College and transferred to Nebraska

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3 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

Both scenarios are true, but that doesn’t justify the rule. 
  
I don’t think the scenario will play out like you suggest very often. Most guys have no interest in leaving their team, and if they due it is usually due to other factors. Not making the starting lineup seems to be the most common reason, followed up by academics/eligibility challenges. 
  
even if it does, the coaches need to own that. That is part of running a smaller program. We shouldn’t limit wrestler’s ability to get the training they want, the financial support they want, etc to protect teams. 
 

with that said, They should enforce the no contact rules for wrestlers who have signed an NLI. It is obviously being circumvented, if not outright violated, by prominent coaches. 
  
 

The transfer portal has nothing to due with recruits signing NLIs prior to attending a school and thus, ya know, transferring. The transfer portal simply lets student-athletes cast a wider net that for whatever reason they are interested in pursuing a different college and would also like to continue wrestling while attending said school. Otherwise the wrestler will have to reach out to 77 other D1 programs, 61 D2 programs, and 109 D3 programs - that's a lot of cold calls, then lead pursuits, then decisions in a short time frame for a kid balancing school. The transfer portal helps alleviate a lot of the grunt work immediately. And as we all know, unfortunately wrestling is on the smaller end of the number of NCAA programs so imagine a track, basketball, soccer, softball athlete...

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30 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

The transfer portal has nothing to due with recruits signing NLIs prior to attending a school and thus, ya know, transferring. The transfer portal simply lets student-athletes cast a wider net that for whatever reason they are interested in pursuing a different college and would also like to continue wrestling while attending said school. Otherwise the wrestler will have to reach out to 77 other D1 programs, 61 D2 programs, and 109 D3 programs - that's a lot of cold calls, then lead pursuits, then decisions in a short time frame for a kid balancing school. The transfer portal helps alleviate a lot of the grunt work immediately. And as we all know, unfortunately wrestling is on the smaller end of the number of NCAA programs so imagine a track, basketball, soccer, softball athlete...

Keep in mind that in the sport of wrestling, prior to the transfer portal, you could transfer without penalty already.  Let's not make it seem like the athletes had no choices.  They have always been allowed to transfer and not sit out.  What this does now is create an environment where the coaches can freely "poach" athletes that want a better deal or need to leave due to disciplinary reasons.  I do not agree with it as the previous rules already allowed for transfers.

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46 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Great example of this is Isaiah White who won a D2 title at Notre Dame College and transferred to Nebraska

While he could be used as an example, it isn't a great one.  He was initially supposed to go to tOSU, but couldn't due to whatever reasons.  He addressed those, or Nebraska has lest strict requirements then went to Nebraska.  Curious how he was able to do that if he had signed the NLI for tOSU.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5049043-breaking-isaiah-white-commits-to-ohio-state

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Board/101483/Contents/Isaiah-White-doing-well-at-NDC-51484235/

https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/wrestling/after-eventful-recruitment-and-start-to-college-isaiah-white-finds-a-home-with-nebraska/article_948628e9-a8e5-59c3-9d54-9fa48078c57e.html#:~:text=Isaiah White committed to Ohio,a home with the Huskers.&text=Nebraska's Isaiah White wrestles North,at the Devaney Sports Center.&text=Isaiah White has always been a big Ohio State football fan.

A fair example, but a complicated one as well.

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If he goes it’ll be a tough loss for UNC. I was really high on him out of high school. My guess is he hasn’t been able to beat Sherman (fringe top 10 wrestler) for the starting 141 spot. Sherman is a junior and could exercise 2 more eligibility years after this year. Tagg probably can’t make the cut to 133 to battle Jamie Hernandez for that spot. And then 149 is O’Conner, who has the same eligibility left as Sherman. It’s unfortunate, but I wish him all the success in the world wherever he lands. 

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33 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

If he goes it’ll be a tough loss for UNC. I was really high on him out of high school. My guess is he hasn’t been able to beat Sherman (fringe top 10 wrestler) for the starting 141 spot. Sherman is a junior and could exercise 2 more eligibility years after this year. Tagg probably can’t make the cut to 133 to battle Jamie Hernandez for that spot. And then 149 is O’Conner, who has the same eligibility left as Sherman. It’s unfortunate, but I wish him all the success in the world wherever he lands. 

Will have the same problem at Ohio St with Echemendia and Demilio.

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