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is Kyle Dake the best(collage) wrestler ever?

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No redshirt.

Four-timer at four different weights (yes, I think it matters).

Four losses in the first two years, none after.

Beats the White Unicorn 4 out of 4.

 

I'd call it a tie.

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No redshirt.

Four-timer at four different weights (yes, I think it matters).

Four losses in the first two years, none after.

Beats the White Unicorn 4 out of 4.

 

I'd call it a tie.

Quality if opponents should be considered. Taylor is a huge hurdle and like you said he leaped it 4x

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No redshirt.

Four-timer at four different weights (yes, I think it matters).

Four losses in the first two years, none after.

Beats the White Unicorn 4 out of 4.

 

I'd call it a tie.

 

Not only that but he did it at an Ivy League school and has been an Academic All-American all four years. All those things together I think makes Dake the GOAT.

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

 

Dake had better competition.

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

You must have missed the come back from adversity and amazing skill on top

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

 

Dake had better competition.

LOL @ you just making that up. Taylor is the only great wrestler he's beaten in 3 years.

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

 

Dake had better competition.

LOL @ you just making that up. Taylor is the only great wrestler he's beaten in 3 years.

St. John Marion frank the tank... Are you serious?

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

 

Barring something completely unseen, Taylor will be a 4x finalist and probable 2x champion.

While Cael beat some good guys, he did not wrestle anyone of Taylor's caliber multiple times.

In fact, it would be interesting to see how many National Champions Dake beat and how many Cael beat over the course of four years.

Also,I think discounting the non-redshirt is ridiculous, particularly as everyone knows Sanderson lost during his redshirt year.

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

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Cael took a RS year. Imo, it's a huge stretch to assume he'd have won ncaa as a true fr (he did suffer a loss that year). Dake, as the first to win 4 without a RS, not to mention moving up a weight and defeating the Hodge winner 3 times this season, makes a strong case for greatest collegiate wrestler.

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Cael is the best.

 

1. 0 losses

2. Tonight's match is a good indicator. Dake went out there to not lose, hence his ridiculously low stance and slow pace. Cael tried to pin his last opponent and ended with a major. Cael went out to dominate every time. Dake has had many close matches, and has lost a few.

 

Dake had better competition.

LOL @ you just making that up. Taylor is the only great wrestler he's beaten in 3 years.

 

Yeah I must be. Considering that two of the other guys he beat in the NCAA finals went on to win titles the following year.

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I say yes.

Most accomplished and most composed college wrestler to date, and a great student.

But to make the final call and really judge them relative to the top 3, you have

to take into consideration what they do after in International competition to confirm the quality of their competition.

 

That would be the same litmus test that gets Pat Smith

almost forgotten in the same conversation, or the same reason

why a Jordan Burroughs is accelerated in the conversation.

Guys like Sanderson, John Smith, Kemp, Gable get that final

stamp of acclaim because, immediately after winning the NCAA's,

they transcended and adjusted immediately to success in Olympics or

world championships.

 

Folks can keep trying to say, let's judge them on

NCAA's, but IMO it does not work that way. But, Dake's feat may just

be the one unimaginable exception to the prevailing undefined mental gymnastics

of honestly saying who is the best.

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LOL @ you just making that up. Taylor is the only great wrestler he's beaten in 3 years.

St. John Marion frank the tank... Are you serious?

 

Are you just gonna name whoever he beat in the finals? Are YOU seriously saying St John and Molinaro are "great" wrestlers?

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LOL @ you just making that up. Taylor is the only great wrestler he's beaten in 3 years.

St. John Marion frank the tank... Are you serious?

 

Are you just gonna name whoever he beat in the finals? Are YOU seriously saying St John and Molinaro are "great" wrestlers?

 

They were both NCAA champions. I don't believe Cael ever beat someone in the finals who was a returning champion and Hodge winner. Trenge didn't come back and win it all after losing to Cael either. The competition Dake faced appears to be superior in that sense.

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LOL @ you just making that up. Taylor is the only great wrestler he's beaten in 3 years.

St. John Marion frank the tank... Are you serious?

 

Are you just gonna name whoever he beat in the finals? Are YOU seriously saying St John and Molinaro are "great" wrestlers?

Molinaro is a 4 time AA.

St, John is a 3 time AA, 2 time finalist with a chance to be a 2 time Champ.

 

That's great resume material for any wrestler in the "win" column.

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I say yes.

Most accomplished and most composed college wrestler to date, and a great student.

But to make the final call and really judge them relative to the top 3, you have

to take into consideration what they do after in International competition to confirm the quality of their competition.

 

That would be the same litmus test that gets Pat Smith

almost forgotten in the same conversation, or the same reason

why a Jordan Burroughs is accelerated in the conversation.

Guys like Sanderson, John Smith, Kemp, Gable get that final

stamp of acclaim because, immediately after winning the NCAA's,

they transcended and adjusted immediately to success in Olympics or

world championships.

 

Folks can keep trying to say, let's judge them on

NCAA's, but IMO it does not work that way. But, Dake's feat may just

be the one unimaginable exception to the prevailing undefin

ed mental gymnastics

of honestly saying who is the best.

 

No mental gymnastics here. Simple criteria. It gets subjective when you assign weight to them. 4 titles being the requisite for consideration. Then 1. Quality of opponents 2.number of losses. 3 wowfactor/bonus/skill (multiple weights, bonus points, strength in all positions)

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