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https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29083340/schools-ask-ncaa-relax-member-requirements

 

The remaining 22 Division I conferences outside of the Power 5 have joined the Group of 5 conferences in requesting that the NCAA relax its requirements for membership, including the minimum number of sports a school must sponsor and the number of games teams must play. But not all coaches were on board with the initiative.

Northeast Conference commissioner Noreen Morris, chair of the Collegiate Commissioners' Association Group (CCA22), told ESPN in an email Wednesday that CCA22 commissioners, who oversee FCS conferences and other non-football Division I leagues, submitted an addendum to the NCAA to include in its potential blanket waiver bylaws that were specific to the FCS and overall Division I membership.

"When submitting the blanket waiver addendum, the CCA22 requested that the NCAA staff assist in coordinating a comprehensive review of potential NCAA bylaws that impact all three subdivisions -- FBS, FCS and DI -- for COVID-19 blanket waiver consideration," Morris said. "A coordinated membership and national office effort in this regard is critical to ensure the membership can confidently and efficiently move forward during this uncertain time with little doubt about whether certain bylaws were inadvertently overlooked."

Morris said the CCA22 commissioners recommended that the blanket waiver be limited to a two-year timeframe, with an option for it to be extended up to four years. Group of 5 commissioners asked for a blanket waiver for four years.

The NCAA Division I Council, which will ultimately vote on the requests, will meet via videoconference this week, but no vote is expected at that time.

A group of coaches from sports that could be cut -- such as volleyball, wrestling and golf -- wrote their own letter to NCAA president Mark Emmert expressing their disagreement with relaxing requirements.

"Reducing the minimum sports sponsorship requirement that would open the door to eliminating sports should not be an option," the letter said. "We are all in this together, and we are ready, eager, and willing to partner with the NCAA to find creative solutions for the challenges to come. America's students have had so much taken from them. Now is not the time to cut them off from yet another critical institution that makes university life so special."

Earlier this month, commissioners from the Group of 5 -- the American Athletic Conference, Mountain West Conference, Mid-American Conference, Sun Belt Conference and Conference USA -- asked Emmert for temporary relief from financial aid requirements, along with average football attendance. The request was made on behalf of all 350 Division I schools.

As of now, NCAA rules require FBS schools to sponsor at least 16 varsity sports.

"Nobody wants to cut sports," Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson told ESPN. "There's the conspiracy theorists who say, 'Oh, this is the opportunity they've been looking for. They've been trying to cut that.' I don't believe that's really the case. If you have to sponsor 16 sports to maintain FBS Division I status, could that number be 14? That's not the intent, though. The intent is to at least sponsor what we're sponsoring now, but maybe not at the same levels required by the NCAA legislation."

The Group of 5 commissioners asked that a moratorium be placed on schools moving into Division I for the length of the waiver. They also requested lifting rules that required schools:

• Offer a minimum of 200 athletic grants-in-aid per year or spend at least $4 million in grants-in-aid on athletes and provide 90% of the permissible maximum grants-in-aid in football over a rolling two-year period.

• Once every two years on a rolling basis, average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football games. This requirement applies only to FBS schools.

• Play minimum numbers of total games and home games in sports such as baseball, football and basketball and minimum percentage of games against Division I or FBS competition in various sports.

"As you are aware, the COVID-19 pandemic and resultant economic turmoil has resulted in the direst financial crisis for higher education since at least the Great Depression," the Group of 5 commissioners wrote. "Among the financial challenges being faced include significant decreases in state appropriations, substantial losses in endowment value, and a downturn in philanthropic activity. An already trying environment for enrollment is expected to see even more sizeable reductions, not to mention the continuing trend in deep reductions in the enrollment of international students. Finally, all of this is playing out with no ability to predict when normal operations might resume."

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53 minutes ago, gowrestle said:

Looks like wrestling is in the way to becoming a footnote in NCAA history. 

Group of 5 schools with wrestling-11

Power 5 schools with wrestling-28

22  other conferences with wrestling-34

Non D I schools who have D I Wrestling Programs-5 (Lock Haven, Edinboro, Bloomsburg, Clarion, Franklin & Marshall)

 

 You could be right, but only at the Division I level. D II and D III could combine with whatever is left of D I and they could just have NCAA Wrestling with no divisions.

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11 minutes ago, gowrestle said:

Looks like wrestling is in the way to becoming a footnote in NCAA history. 

Yes you have made your position and prediction quite clear. If it happens you will get full credit and we will hail you as king on the last day of this website. 

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A quote from this article https://watchstadium.com/99-percent-of-fbs-ads-believe-well-have-college-football-this-season-04-21-2020/    about college football this season....

 

A Group of Five athletic director said as much as he hates to admit it, he predicts that men’s soccer and wrestling programs will soon be on the “extinct list.” And it could get even worse without a football season.

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7 minutes ago, LJB said:

wrestling will continue without the corrupt practices of the NCAA...

we were here before those bastards, we will be here after...

How is the NCAA corrupt? Curious to know....

Wrestling will continue at the lower levels, but probably won't at the D I level. Whatever remains at the D I level, the 35-40 schools that keep it can combine with the 63 D II schools and have a solid tournament. D III has over a 100 schools as of now and can continue .

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1 minute ago, CoachJSS said:

How do you interpret it as corrupt?

wow... 

just do a google search and get back to us...

there is not a more corrupt money hungry org than the NCAA...

fukn hell... keep up

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2 minutes ago, LJB said:

wow... 

just do a google search and get back to us...

there is not a more corrupt money hungry org than the NCAA...

fukn hell... keep up

I don't need to do a google search. I coached at 2 NCAA schools. At the athletic department meetings we didn't discuss how corrupt the NCAA is.

You know who runs the NCAA? The schools. Mostly the big powerful D I, Power 5 schools.

Have certain individuals at certain schools done things that are corrupt? Yes.....

Is the NCAA corrupt as a whole? Not at all. Many great things about the NCAA. Just don't focus on the D I football and basketball scandals, even through that's the easy thing to do.

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1 minute ago, CoachJSS said:

Just don't focus on the D I football and basketball scandals, even through that's the easy thing to do.

so...

don't focus on the only thing that generates $$$s and therefore the only thing that matters...

gotcha...

**insert laughing until you cry emoji here**

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20 minutes ago, LJB said:

so...

don't focus on the only thing that generates $$$s and therefore the only thing that matters...

gotcha...

**insert laughing until you cry emoji here**

It's not the only thing that matters. That's a uneducated opinion.

I don't expect someone who has formed an uneducated opinion to change it, since you feel so strongly about it. The NCAA does a lot of great things for the student-athletes. If you want to focus on a few bad apples in certain sports, then that's great. But don't lump in the whole NCAA and call everyone corrupt because of a few bad apples.

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hey... we got a crusader...

you go be you... keep banging that drum for a non revenue sport...

nothing but deaf ears...

i do appreciate your principles, but, refuse to lose sleep over them...

we choose a different path...

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8 hours ago, LJB said:

wrestling will continue without the corrupt practices of the NCAA...

we were here before those bastards, we will be here after...

Wrestling will continue without NCAA, but it will be greatly diminished. Look at other Olympic sports in the us without serious college programs... Judo, weightlifting, greco, table tennis, and many more. The sports exist and occasionally there is a US medalist, but in general we are second rate at best

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14 hours ago, CoachJSS said:

 You could be right, but only at the Division I level. D II and D III could combine with whatever is left of D I and they could just have NCAA Wrestling with no divisions.

i am not sure how many more D3 schools will be able to continue to operate with athletic teams. There are some D3 schools that just added wrestling and yet their tuition is between $35K-$55K a year, but the AD keeps asking coach "Why aren't you getting more kids?!" You may see kids going to colleges without athletics, taking all online classes and competing in their sport that is not affiliated with the NCAA. Would you even see some schools drop back down to the NAIA? No Athletic Investigation Allowed?

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4 minutes ago, TexRef said:

i am not sure how many more D3 schools will be able to continue to operate with athletic teams. There are some D3 schools that just added wrestling and yet their tuition is between $35K-$55K a year, but the AD keeps asking coach "Why aren't you getting more kids?!" You may see kids going to colleges without athletics, taking all online classes and competing in their sport that is not affiliated with the NCAA. Would you even see some schools drop back down to the NAIA? No Athletic Investigation Allowed?

The sticker price is not the net price paid by most students.  
 

Unless you’re a wealthy family, the sticker price for a private school is meaningless.  

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5 minutes ago, Pinnum said:

The sticker price is not the net price paid by most students.  
 

Unless you’re a wealthy family, the sticker price for a private school is meaningless.  

Pinnum-You are correct, but you would be surprised how many kids and parents don't understand that. Keep in mind that our sport still has about 80-85% of college Freshman that will be the first generation in their family to go to college.

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On 4/23/2020 at 11:03 AM, Pinnum said:

The sticker price is not the net price paid by most students.  
 

Unless you’re a wealthy family, the sticker price for a private school is meaningless.  

True, but that does not make small private schools automatically affordable. For students who don't excel in the classroom before moving to said four year school, they will be left holding some steep tuition and fee loans at the end of their college days because the internal scholarships they receive will be small in relation to the overall cost of tuition, room and board.

A significant number of small privates from across the country struggle with raising the required money to offset those internal scholarships given by the schools to attract more students. There have been some recent articles sounding the alarm, if you will, that this is a growing trend. COVID-19 might expose that far sooner than some prognosticators think.

As a former admission counselor at a small, Division III school (I left that position two years ago next month), I regularly told students (athletes and non-athletes) who would struggle to pay that tuition to attend community colleges first and save that money. The tuition costs were more than 9:1 from the community college. The community college I had coached at prior to the D III private moved from Division III status to Division I status within the NJCAA when they began offering tuition waivers to student-wrestlers. The problem was that it is incredibly difficult to tell an 18-year-old that NJCAA wrestling isn't akin to JV2 wrestling when all they have heard in high school is that and that they as a wrestler are above that level. If their parents have been hypnotized by that same speech, then there is little to nothing you can do about it at that point to keep someone from think that spending $30,000-plus a year (with the top internal scholarship), without a tuition freeze, mainly to wrestle is a smart idea.

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