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There was a match back when escape points were awarded between Jaddidi and Melvin Douglas in the World finals (forgot the year).  Jaddidi was placed down and as Douglas got set and whistle blows Jaddidi stands and gets out and was awarded the point.  None if the above mentioned criteria were met, but the pt was awarded anyway and it was the difference in the match.  Jaddidi later lost his medal due to PED violation.

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If you watch the 2016 Olympics for Greco, escapes from bottom are heavily used. The bottom wrestler is so defenseless in Greco (most points are scored in parterre because the rules favor the top wrestler) that I think they saw an opportunity to escape the pressure cooker and risk the throw.

They changed the rules after that to start flat on your belly to discourage escapes and there is also a point of emphasis if you move away from the top wrestler they can caution you for negativity. It never gets called because a lot of escapes happen after failed lifts.

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18 hours ago, dmm53 said:

Why can't (or shouldn't) rules allow the bottom wrestler to fight back more instead of "opening up"?  It makes the bottom wrestler so passive and it looks downright submissive.

My bigger problem is with allowing unlimited leg lace and gut wrench turns.   That often ruins a competitive match.  

Put them back on their feet after 2 turns.  

One of the reasons that wrestling was almost kicked out of the Olympics is that it had created rules to prevent scoring.  The IOC wanted to see more points on the scoreboard.  The multiple lace rule, when it was in place, was created to eliminate an advantage by a few wrestlers, but hurt the scoring overall.  The multiple gut rule, when it was in place, was also to eliminate an advantage by a few, but hurt the overall scoring.

So, the leg lace and gut wrenches were not illegal move, so why restrict potential scoring attempts?  The IOC wanted more scoring, and everything that UWW has done is an effort to create more scoring and eliminate the blocking out / locking up with no attempt / keep my opponent from scoring defensive actions.

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18 hours ago, spladle said:

There was a match back when escape points were awarded between Jaddidi and Melvin Douglas in the World finals (forgot the year).  Jaddidi was placed down and as Douglas got set and whistle blows Jaddidi stands and gets out and was awarded the point.  None if the above mentioned criteria were met, but the pt was awarded anyway and it was the difference in the match.  Jaddidi later lost his medal due to PED violation.

The Jadidi and Douglas match was before those set criteria were created.  The escapes were so subjective FILA worked to refine and define what an escape needed to be over the years.  By the end of the escape era, it was so tedious they decided to do away with it altogether.

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4 hours ago, neutralpositionref said:

The Jadidi and Douglas match was before those set criteria were created.  The escapes were so subjective FILA worked to refine and define what an escape needed to be over the years.  By the end of the escape era, it was so tedious they decided to do away with it altogether.

Not sure I get the logic for making the escape point more complex.  Seems like it could be pretty simple, if the bottom guy gets out before the ref blows the whistle then one point

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