Billyhoyle 2,027 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 37 minutes ago, LJB said: to be fair, after watching gaethje totally outclass ferguson and take years off his life, the term "grinding" was a little offending... whatever... and to all the covid complainers, move on... that ship has sailed... no one is listening to chicken little anymore... we did... we went away and hid... the reports of the end of mankind were greatly exaggerated... congrats to the UFC for giving us a live sporting event to enjoy... Your disregard for logic is really grinding me down. The reason that casualties did not match estimates is because shelter-in-place procedures were taken. Without them, somewhere between 0.5 and 1% of the population will die from covid-19. I’m not saying it was irresponsible to hold the UFC event during shelter-in-place, but the procedures that Dana white put in place to ensure fighters did not travel while infected were inadequate. They should have been tested prior to leaving for the event, and anyone who could not be tested should have been scratched. 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 804 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, LJB said: cry me a river... signing releases has been a part of this litigious society for much longer than just last week... and those waivers designed to shield a business are routinely ignored and lawsuits filed and fought after the fact... the UFC only makes money if people watch... my suspicion is they made a metric fuk ton last night even without the gate... and for good reason... the whiner's table is down the hall, 3rd door on the left... If you love covering a private business’s costs, I suppose that’s your choice. Seems weird to me though. 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: Your disregard for logic is really grinding me down. The reason that casualties did not match estimates is because shelter-in-place procedures were taken. Without them, somewhere between 0.5 and 1% of the population will die from covid-19. I’m not saying it was irresponsible to hold the UFC event during shelter-in-place, but the procedures that Dana white put in place to ensure fighters did not travel while infected were inadequate. They should have been tested prior to leaving for the event, and anyone who could not be tested should have been scratched. see that is a much more adequate use of the term "grinding"... as far as logic, you have been chicken little since day one of this covid mess... it has proven to be far less dangerous than you wanted it to be... we will never know the real numbers because of several factors not the least of being typical scummy false reporting for personal gain... but, as always... whatever... sorry you were disappointed by the actual end results... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Katie said: If you love covering a private business’s costs, I suppose that’s your choice. Seems weird to me though. i paid for my own entertainment... your spin on that is truly ridiculous... 1 Ohio Elite reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,027 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, LJB said: see that is a much more adequate use of the term "grinding"... as far as logic, you have been chicken little since day one of this covid mess... it has proven to be far less dangerous than you wanted it to be... we will never know the real numbers because of several factors not the least of being typical scummy false reporting for personal gain... but, as always... whatever... sorry you were disappointed by the actual end results... Please point to a single post on this forum where I inaccurately predicted the effects of Covid-19. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 804 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, LJB said: see that is a much more adequate use of the term "grinding"... as far as logic, you have been chicken little since day one of this covid mess... it has proven to be far less dangerous than you wanted it to be... we will never know the real numbers because of several factors not the least of being typical scummy false reporting for personal gain... but, as always... whatever... sorry you were disappointed by the actual end results... Personally, I’m glad that the top virologists and public health experts in the world have had far more sway so far than the conspiracy theories you saw online. 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Billyhoyle said: Please point to a single post on this forum where I inaccurately predicted the effects of Covid-19. i am not going to bother... it won't matter... again, sorry you were disappointed the apocalypse didn't happen... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 804 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, LJB said: i paid for my own entertainment... your spin on that is truly ridiculous... I guess the concept of liability is beyond you. I’ll leave you to your conspiracy theories now. Happy Mother’s Day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Katie said: Personally, I’m glad that the top virologists and public health experts in the world have had far more sway so far than the conspiracy theories you saw online. hey, we shut down the country and the planet to see... i am not saying that is a bad thing... it was the smart play... we now know the real dangers and we can mitigate them with perfectly acceptable results... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Katie said: I guess the concept of liability is beyond you. I’ll leave you to your conspiracy theories now. Happy Mother’s Day. my concept of personal responsibility is spot on... no conspiracy theory there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,027 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, LJB said: i am not going to bother... it won't matter... again, sorry you were disappointed the apocalypse didn't happen... I never predicted the apocalypse. I have been consistent in my predictions this entire time. If left unchecked, somewhere between 60 and 80 percent of the population will become infected due to this being a novel virus (with this growth being rapid/exponential due to lack of immunity). You then multiply that by the CFR and get approximately 1 to 2 million deaths in the US. It’s basic arithmetic. 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 737 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: Your disregard for logic is really grinding me down. The reason that casualties did not match estimates is because shelter-in-place procedures were taken. Without them, somewhere between 0.5 and 1% of the population will die from covid-19. I’m not saying it was irresponsible to hold the UFC event during shelter-in-place, but the procedures that Dana white put in place to ensure fighters did not travel while infected were inadequate. They should have been tested prior to leaving for the event, and anyone who could not be tested should have been scratched. The original models with 1-2 million dying in the us and everyone getting sick had shelter in place and social distancing factored in 1 GockeS reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,027 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: The original models with 1-2 million dying in the us and everyone getting sick had shelter in place and social distancing factored in What does that have to do with anything I’ve posted? The key is keeping the spread (“R”) as close to or below 1 new case per infection as possible. That involves social distancing, PPE, and testing/contact tracing. Because R0 is estimated to be approximately 3, this is not an easy task and obviously requires large gatherings to be canceled until a vaccine is in place. It’s good that parts of the country are opening to some extent now, but it must be with proper measures in place. Dana White clearly did a poor job in ensuring his employees were uninflected prior to having them travel. Edited May 10, 2020 by Billyhoyle 1 pamela reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: I never predicted the apocalypse. I have been consistent in my predictions this entire time. If left unchecked, somewhere between 60 and 80 percent of the population will become infected due to this being a novel virus (with this growth being rapid/exponential due to lack of immunity). You then multiply that by the CFR and get approximately 1 to 2 million deaths in the US. It’s basic arithmetic. lies, damned lies, and statistics... again, sorry you were disappointed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,027 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, LJB said: lies, damned lies, and statistics... again, sorry you were disappointed... Why resort to personal attacks and accuse me of being disappointed that millions of people haven’t died? You don’t know me and I don’t claim to know you, so why attack me personality? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Billyhoyle said: Why resort to personal attacks and accuse me of being disappointed that millions of people haven’t died? You don’t know me and I don’t claim to know you, so why attack me personality? attack you personally? grow up... i haven't "attacked" you in the least bit, but, you thinking you have been wronged fits perfectly inline with your overall agenda since day 1 on this topic... again, sorry you have been disappointed that this pandemic has turned out to be far less dangerous... 1 Ohio Elite reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorenomore 65 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 If only a country took a responsibille approach and treated its people like the freedoms they thought they had - I wonder how they would do? Oh wait Sweden did that and the country is doing fine without destroying its economy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 933 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Billyhoyle said: Please point to a single post on this forum where I inaccurately predicted the effects of Covid-19. 3 hours ago, Billyhoyle said: Your disregard for logic is really grinding me down. The reason that casualties did not match estimates is because shelter-in-place procedures were taken. Without them, somewhere between 0.5 and 1% of the population will die from covid-19. I’m not saying it was irresponsible to hold the UFC event during shelter-in-place, but the procedures that Dana white put in place to ensure fighters did not travel while infected were inadequate. They should have been tested prior to leaving for the event, and anyone who could not be tested should have been scratched. ^ Probably this since no one knows what the real fatality rate is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyum 240 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 Very surprised to see individuals within wrestling community, willingly and happily give up personal freedoms. maybe some of you were a little too “Coachable.” 2 shieldofpistis and Antitroll2828 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 804 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, nyum said: Very surprised to see individuals within wrestling community, willingly and happily give up personal freedoms. maybe some of you were a little too “Coachable.” In case you don't know much about constitutional law, here is a basic concept for you to consider: police power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shieldofpistis 154 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 18 hours ago, dmm53 said: Dana White and UFC in hot water: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/09/epidemiologist-blasts-ufc-president-dana-white-mishandling-coronavirus-protocol/ Ii think that article is junk. Souza was at fault for being around covid 19. He notified ufc and the took proper prodocal with them. It seems like Werdum was idiot and broke rules. Not ufc fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shieldofpistis 154 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 5 hours ago, LJB said: lies, damned lies, and statistics... again, sorry you were disappointed... Ljb I feel you. At the time it was smart play to shut down country. But it needs to reopen. In my state we have a growing number of farmer suicide because prices of stuff is so low based on manufacturing plants being closed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shieldofpistis 154 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 2 hours ago, 1032004 said: ^ Probably this since no one knows what the real fatality rate is. I think dana did good job. You can argue about flights. I believe a lot of this was Souza's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyum 240 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Katie said: In case you don't know much about constitutional law, here is a basic concept for you to consider: police power. “provided these measures do not infringe upon any of the rights protected by the United States Constitution” First ammendment to constitution includes right to peaceably assemble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 804 Report post Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, nyum said: “provided these measures do not infringe upon any of the rights protected by the United States Constitution” First ammendment to constitution includes right to peaceably assemble. I'm sure you're aware that Wikipedia is not authoritative, and that you only quoted half the sentence from Wikipedia at any rate. Hopefully you'll look further into the police power if you're genuinely interested. I'm also sure you're aware that even under normal conditions there is no absolute right to assemble. For instance, I cannot lawfully assemble a group of 50 people on your front yard for a Cinco de Mayo party without your permission. Edited May 10, 2020 by Katie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
