irani 655 Report post Posted May 15, 2020 If you could bring back champions at their prime, to wrestle each other, which 4 would you like to see if in each weight class. I know it gets tricky since weight classes change from year to year, but we can make it work. Here is my first dream tournament of 4 at the 67-70 Kg weight class Habibi 1956 Movahed 1968 Gable 1972 Arsen Fadzayev 1988 All of them just crushed and dominated their weight class from 2 - 11 years 1 Alwayswrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 16, 2020 karelin or nobody... karelin vs anybody... 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 16, 2020 except possibly poddubny... i might in fact be digressing right now... 1 Lurker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExBSUfan 51 Report post Posted May 17, 2020 Buvaiser Satiev vs Jordan Burroughs. I know that’s not 4. But both men in their prime would have been an exciting match I think. 1 1 irani and Jim L reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 655 Report post Posted May 17, 2020 3 hours ago, ExBSUfan said: Buvaiser Satiev vs Jordan Burroughs. I know that’s not 4. But both men in their prime would have been an exciting match I think. It's very hard to argue against that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,044 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 8:42 PM, LJB said: karelin or nobody... karelin vs anybody... is there any doubt that Karelin wasn't a steriod monster at this point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 655 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 8 hours ago, hammerlockthree said: is there any doubt that Karelin wasn't a steriod monster at this point? What evidence is there? Why didn't the steroids help him in his last match? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 8 hours ago, hammerlockthree said: is there any doubt that Karelin wasn't a steriod monster at this point? He failed just as many tests as john smith did... I guess they were both “steroid monsters”, huh? mook... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 232 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, LJB said: He failed just as many tests as john smith did... I guess they were both “steroid monsters”, huh? mook... Not that I have any evidence that he was or was not a steroid monster, but passing drug tests does not over rule other evidence of steroid use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 Just now, Jim L said: Not that I have any evidence that he was or was not a steroid monster, but passing drug tests does not over rule other evidence of steroid use. of course it doesn't... this is goose and gander stuff... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 655 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jim L said: Not that I have any evidence that he was or was not a steroid monster, but passing drug tests does not over rule other evidence of steroid use. What is the other evidence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 59 minutes ago, Jim L said: Not that I have any evidence that he was or was not a steroid monster, but passing drug tests does not over rule other evidence of steroid use. ugh... i totally misread this post... what a piece of poo post... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 232 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 I don't know of any evidence, but if there is some, passing tests does not negate it as was implied in LJB's post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 655 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jim L said: I don't know of any evidence, but if there is some, passing tests does not negate it as was implied in LJB's post Thank Jim, I was referring more to the post below. Unless if there is evidence, I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of juicing, just because they look ripped. There are plenty of ripped looking wrestlers from every country. 13 hours ago, hammerlockthree said: is there any doubt that Karelin wasn't a steriod monster at this point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, Jim L said: I don't know of any evidence, but if there is some, passing tests does not negate it as was implied in LJB's post i just ask that everyone hold all wrestlers (and everyone else) to the same standard and not just the one's they have been told to distrust... but, average people and thoughts are just that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 If we are going to indict Karelin based on his build, are we also going to indict Bono, Molinaro, etc...... while we are at it, do we want to double check that the samples didn't get switched when Leipold beat Slay? 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 JB is a true mesomorph as well... must mean he is on all the finest mexican supplements, right????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,044 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 7 hours ago, LJB said: He failed just as many tests as john smith did... I guess they were both “steroid monsters”, huh? mook... unbelievably stupid point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,044 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 8 hours ago, irani said: What evidence is there? Why didn't the steroids help him in his last match? he was the most jacked guy from a country that had systematic state sponsored PED use......if your only argument is acting stupid I'll bow out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 655 Report post Posted May 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: ..if your only argument is acting stupid I'll bow out. yeah, I think this is the end of my attempt to have a rational exchange with you. Have a nice day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 4 hours ago, hammerlockthree said: unbelievably stupid point more or less stupid than just deciding someone is a "steroid monster" just because it fits better in your made up narrative? just so you know, that is rhetorical... you have earned your reputation here many times over... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,044 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, LJB said: more or less stupid than just deciding someone is a "steroid monster" just because it fits better in your made up narrative? just so you know, that is rhetorical... you have earned your reputation here many times over... great to see someone accuse me of pushing a "narrative" and then resort to referring to my "reputation". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,044 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, irani said: yeah, I think this is the end of my attempt to have a rational exchange with you. Have a nice day You didn't respond to me rationally. Your argument was that he lost a match in 13 years so he couldn't have been on steriods. Edited May 19, 2020 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,492 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, hammerlockthree said: great to see someone accuse me of pushing a "narrative" and then resort to referring to my "reputation". Cry me a River... there is a reason you have the rep you do as a mook... don’t blame us... accept some responsibility for your silliness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,397 Report post Posted May 19, 2020 He’s an adorable little fella isn’t he? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
