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As far as I know, only two people have three gold medals in freestyle wrestling, Medved and Satiev (should have had four)

Who are others who came close, and could have had three.  Below is my list

  1. Most obvious, Arsen Fadzehev - won gold from 1983 - 1992.  Almost a sure bet to win the 1984 gold if it wasn't for the stupid boycott
  2. Sergei Beloglazov - Another obvious choise, victimized by the stupid boycott
  3. Yarygin -  won gold in 1972 and 1974, but allegedly While preparing for the Moscow Olympics herealized that the young Soviet wrestler Ilya Mate has a better chance for the gold medal (which he indeed won), decided to retire.  He was the 1979 gold medadlist, so if the story is true, I think he made a terrible mistake and missed an opportunity to be a member of a very elite club
  4. Khadartsev Two golds and one silver, one match away
  5. Bruce Baumgartner -  The man has two golds, one silver, and one bronze.  He was probably one match away from getting three golds
  6. Gholam Reza Takhti  -  He has one gold, one silver, one bronze and one forth place .  Not as close as others, but still had a shot

Who did I miss?

 

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25 minutes ago, irani said:

As far as I know, only two people have three gold medals in freestyle wrestling, Medved and Satiev (should have had four)

Who are others who came close, and could have had three.  Below is my list

  1. Most obvious, Arsen Fadzehev - won gold from 1983 - 1992.  Almost a sure bet to win the 1984 gold if it wasn't for the stupid boycott
  2. Sergei Beloglazov - Another obvious choise, victimized by the stupid boycott
  3. Yarygin -  won gold in 1972 and 1974, but allegedly While preparing for the Moscow Olympics herealized that the young Soviet wrestler Ilya Mate has a better chance for the gold medal (which he indeed won), decided to retire.  He was the 1979 gold medadlist, so if the story is true, I think he made a terrible mistake and missed an opportunity to be a member of a very elite club
  4. Khadartsev Two golds and one silver, one match away
  5. Bruce Baumgartner -  The man has two golds, one silver, and one bronze.  He was probably one match away from getting three golds
  6. Gholam Reza  -  He has one gold, one silver, one bronze and one forth place .  Not as close as others, but still had a shot

Who did I miss?

 

Why should Satiev have had 4?

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8 minutes ago, Bozak2018 said:

Why should Satiev have had 4?

Slay won it fair and square, but I believe Satiev was the better wreslter, and 9 out of 10 times, he would have won

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2 hours ago, irani said:

Slay won it fair and square, but I believe Satiev was the better wreslter, and 9 out of 10 times, he would have won

Could have 4, is a much better way of saying it than should have 4

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3 hours ago, irani said:

Slay won it fair and square, but I believe Satiev was the better wreslter, and 9 out of 10 times, he would have won

Alexander Karelin, should've won 4 by your thinking.  But there's no awards for shoulda could woulda.

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22 minutes ago, Nutterbutter said:

Alexander Karelin, should've won 4 by your thinking.  But there's no awards for shoulda could woulda.

Not sure there is a disagreement here.  There is no award for Satiev other than the 3 gold medals.  However, he had the best chance of anyone in history to get 4 gold Olympid medals

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17 hours ago, Nutterbutter said:

Alexander Karelin, should've won 4 by your thinking.  But there's no awards for shoulda could woulda.

In the spirit of being picky for something to argue about, I'll disagree with that comparison.  When Karelin lost, he was obviously on much decline, at the lowest "level" he had been throughout his tremendous 13 years.  Karelin never wrestled another match, and his defeater would win Gold again the following year plus another medal in the following Olympics.  Satiev on the other hand would go on to win two olympic and three world gold after that shocking defeat, only losing one in those eight years.  Two entirely different situations.  

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2 minutes ago, Lurker said:

In the spirit of being picky for something to argue about, I'll disagree with that comparison.  When Karelin lost, he was obviously on much decline, at the lowest "level" he had been throughout his tremendous 13 years.  Karelin never wrestled another match, and his defeater would win Gold again the following year plus another medal in the following Olympics.  Satiev on the other hand would go on to win two olympic and three world gold after that shocking defeat, only losing one in those eight years.  Two entirely different situations.  

Excellent point!

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1 hour ago, Lurker said:

In the spirit of being picky for something to argue about, I'll disagree with that comparison.  When Karelin lost, he was obviously on much decline, at the lowest "level" he had been throughout his tremendous 13 years.  Karelin never wrestled another match, and his defeater would win Gold again the following year plus another medal in the following Olympics.  Satiev on the other hand would go on to win two olympic and three world gold after that shocking defeat, only losing one in those eight years.  Two entirely different situations.  

Neither "should've" won which is my point.  I agree though with your premise.  Just the language of should've is what I disagreed with.  I think we're all on the same page, it's just verbiage semantics.

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18 hours ago, irani said:

Not sure there is a disagreement here.  There is no award for Satiev other than the 3 gold medals.  However, he had the best chance of anyone in history to get 4 gold Olympid medals

I agree that he had the best chance.

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1 hour ago, Nutterbutter said:

Neither "should've" won which is my point.  I agree though with your premise.  Just the language of should've is what I disagreed with.  I think we're all on the same page, it's just verbiage semantics.

agreed

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31 minutes ago, Lurker said:

agreed

I think we are all in agreement.  I did not mean "should have" as in "he was robbed" or "there was a bad call"  .  I mean't given his skills and abilitiy and performance before and after that match, that is a match that he could have and should have won

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52 minutes ago, irani said:

I think we are all in agreement.  I did not mean "should have" as in "he was robbed" or "there was a bad call"  .  I mean't given his skills and abilitiy and performance before and after that match, that is a match that he could have and should have won

Agreed 

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In the spirit of being picky for something to argue about, I'll disagree with that comparison.  When Karelin lost, he was obviously on much decline, at the lowest "level" he had been throughout his tremendous 13 years.  Karelin never wrestled another match, and his defeater would win Gold again the following year plus another medal in the following Olympics.  Satiev on the other hand would go on to win two olympic and three world gold after that shocking defeat, only losing one in those eight years.  Two entirely different situations.  

Beat me to it! Saitiev was coming off of a dominating performance 1996 at a very young age. He was hitting what most would consider to be a wrestlers prime in 2000.

I’d also add that Karelian was a heavyweight, and they generally have more longevity. Strength is the last thing to go, while for a lighter weight speed and agility’s the first to go That’s why We say John Smith was our greatest, instead of Big Bruce. That’s why we consider Saitiev the best, instead of Medved

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My 5 favorites are #1 Fadzaev  #2 Sergei Belaglozov and after that Burroughs, Smith and Baumgartner....I don't think 1 and 2 will ever change for me....both were "machines", and ironically team mates and have almost identical results/resumes.  (I just realized this probably is in the wrong post....sorry about that)

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On 5/18/2020 at 6:39 PM, TripNSweep said:

Anyone think Smith could have won again in 96?

If, and I mean IF he:

a. Bodily could hold up

b. If he wanted to badly enough- his style was bad for everyone including Tom Brands, but you gotta have the fire in your belly.

 

I will say that the young lions at 136.5 are so quick, and I don't know how his weight pull was in 1992, let alone how difficult it would have been in 1996.

Also, that's a lonnnnnggg time to keep training hard enough to  "stay low".

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It's interesting that Yordanov doesn't get as many mentions in these kinds of topics despite having more world championship medals than anyone (and as many of them gold as anyone else).

However he 'only' has one olympic gold, and one olympic bronze. Maybe because of the difference in visibility between that and 'only' the WC? Bulgaria boycotted in '84 as well of course... 

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3 hours ago, BadgerMon said:

If, and I mean IF he:

a. Bodily could hold up

b. If he wanted to badly enough- his style was bad for everyone including Tom Brands, but you gotta have the fire in your belly.

 

I will say that the young lions at 136.5 are so quick, and I don't know how his weight pull was in 1992, let alone how difficult it would have been in 1996.

Also, that's a lonnnnnggg time to keep training hard enough to  "stay low".

If he kept it up through the cycle I'd say he has a worse chance. But if he took a few years off and came back in 99 and played it smart, who knows. Day before weigh ins back then too.  

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On 6/1/2020 at 12:48 PM, ufo said:

It's interesting that Yordanov doesn't get as many mentions in these kinds of topics despite having more world championship medals than anyone (and as many of them gold as anyone else).

However he 'only' has one olympic gold, and one olympic bronze. Maybe because of the difference in visibility between that and 'only' the WC? Bulgaria boycotted in '84 as well of course... 

he deserves a mention in the topic of best wrestlers of all time, and best wrestlers in each weight class.

He is not top of mind in the the three olympic  gold medal club.  You raise a valid point, if it wasn't for the 1984 boycot, he could most likely have two gold olympic medals, and therebefore be a topic of this conversation in this thread too

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5 hours ago, irani said:

he deserves a mention in the topic of best wrestlers of all time, and best wrestlers in each weight class.

He is not top of mind in the the three olympic  gold medal club.  You raise a valid point, if it wasn't for the 1984 boycot, he could most likely have two gold olympic medals, and therebefore be a topic of this conversation in this thread too

I agree about Jordanov, he won 7 world titles with his first in 1983 and his last in 1995, then of course his Olympic gold in 1996.  He only wrestled in 2 Olympics though, a bronze in 92 being the other. Does anyone know why?  Injured?  I don't, but he missed the 88 Olympics even though he won the WC the year before and the year after (87 & 89), so he had a great shot in 88.  Not to mention he won the year before and after the 84 Olympics too (83 and 85 world champ), of course we all know why he missed 84.  But 12 total world medals with 8 being gold AND he missed 2 Olympics.   On a side note though there's a great story I heard about him winning his 96 Olympic Gold.  Dave Schultz had been murdered just months before the 96 Olympics, and Valentin Jordanov and Dave Schultz were great friends.  So the first thing Jordanov does after FINALLY winning the Olympic gold he's been training for for almost 20 yesrs on the senior level alone was he went into the stands, grabbed Dave's son Alexander, put him on his shoulders, and was heading back up to the mat, and supposedly security was thinking about stopping this until Jordanov yelled "This is my son!" and proceeded to parade him on his shoulders in celebration around the mat. I wasn't there, but I've heard the story a few times and always reminds me how amazing Dave Schultz was for USA wrestling and wrestling period.

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