Billyhoyle 1,988 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 Dr. Fauci recently announced that hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine should be ready by the beginning of the year. Based on preliminary data, it seems more likely than not that this vaccine will be safe/effective (if it isn’t the timeline will be pushed back to wait for a different strategy). So I’m now more optimistic than ever that even though I still wouldn’t attend a dual today, I will be able to at some point of this next ncaa wrestling season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 889 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: Dr. Fauci recently announced that hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine should be ready by the beginning of the year. Based on preliminary data, it seems more likely than not that this vaccine will be safe/effective (if it isn’t the timeline will be pushed back to wait for a different strategy). So I’m now more optimistic than ever that even though I still wouldn’t attend a dual today, I will be able to at some point of this next ncaa wrestling season. Yeah, sounds like there are several other candidates not far behind the one that is furthest along in the process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,531 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: Dr. Fauci recently announced that hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine should be ready by the beginning of the year. Based on preliminary data, it seems more likely than not that this vaccine will be safe/effective (if it isn’t the timeline will be pushed back to wait for a different strategy). So I’m now more optimistic than ever that even though I still wouldn’t attend a dual today, I will be able to at some point of this next ncaa wrestling season. I think I mentioned this before somewhere but even if that would be true (and the most recent number I hear from Fauci is 100meg although we were hearing earlier figures of 200-400m) that isn't just for the US. And think of it this way. assuming they have started production that means that number should be divided by 6 months to figure the monthly production number and realize that after the first batch is dispersed we could be seeing fewer than 30 mil a month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 1,988 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, gimpeltf said: I think I mentioned this before somewhere but even if that would be true (and the most recent number I hear from Fauci is 100meg although we were hearing earlier figures of 200-400m) that isn't just for the US. And think of it this way. assuming they have started production that means that number should be divided by 6 months to figure the monthly production number and realize that after the first batch is dispersed we could be seeing fewer than 30 mil a month. Fauci specifically said hundreds of millions, and yes, this would be specifically for the US. Moderna is a US-based company and although the fact that we pay the most in the world for medicine is generally a bad thing, it means we will get initial access to the vaccine. Other companies like Biontech, which use the same strategy but are slightly behind Moderna, are likely to be more euro-focused in their launch. in terms of monthly production, you are not accounting for the fact that production capacity will increase over the coming months, so even if the monthly average is 30 million, by January it may be a hundred million or more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,531 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Billyhoyle said: Fauci specifically said hundreds of millions, and yes, this would be specifically for the US. Moderna is a US-based company and although the fact that we pay the most in the world for medicine is generally a bad thing, it means we will get initial access to the vaccine. Other companies like Biontech, which use the same strategy but are slightly behind Moderna, are likely to be more euro-focused in their launch. in terms of monthly production, you are not accounting for the fact that production capacity will increase over the coming months, so even if the monthly average is 30 million, by January it may be a hundred million or more. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-updates-us-should-have-100m-vaccine-doses-by-end-of-year-fauci-says/ar-BB14XQaD?ocid=anaheim-ntp-feeds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 1,988 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, gimpeltf said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-updates-us-should-have-100m-vaccine-doses-by-end-of-year-fauci-says/ar-BB14XQaD?ocid=anaheim-ntp-feeds https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/03/health/fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-2021/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,531 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 One was end of year one was beginning of next. I see. And the better news is here he is saying the US should have that many not what I was hearing earlier which didn't specify the US and made it sound like would need to be for the world. 1 Billyhoyle reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 1,988 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: One was end of year one was beginning of next. I see. And the better news is here he is saying the US should have that many not what I was hearing earlier which didn't specify the US and made it sound like would need to be for the world. The US is actually paying a number of companies to produce large quantities of vaccine even before the release of phase 3 data. This is unheard of and ensures both rapid production when efficacy is proven and the US market getting initial access. It is an outstanding program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,531 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Billyhoyle said: The US is actually paying a number of companies to produce large quantities of vaccine even before the release of phase 3 data. This is unheard of and ensures both rapid production when efficacy is proven and the US market getting initial access. It is an outstanding program. It's remarkable what they came up with. Hopefully, it all does work. I knew they were producing in advance which is why I mentioned the current per month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 1,988 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, gimpeltf said: It's remarkable what they came up with. Hopefully, it all does work. I knew they were producing in advance which is why I mentioned the current per month. It’s actually extremely fortuitous because the technology behind the RNA vaccine being used by Moderna and Biontech was part of a DARPA program that was created to develop technology that can rapidly be deployed in the field and respond to a biological military weapon. In other words, the government saw military applications for rapid vaccine development and we are now benefitting from it. The timelines we are currently seeing would have been unthinkable/impossible as recently as 5 years ago. It’s also interesting because NIH/NSF are not currently designed for such ambitious programs and generally fund more incremental research. Because of the success of DARPA, Congress is trying to expand NSF to include a similar program to fund the development of non military technology. So yeah, we may be able to thank the military for the 2021 wrestling season. 3 Ohio Elite, wrestleFan12 and gimpeltf reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vegetable lasagna 9 Report post Posted June 3, 2020 sounds like these pharma outfits and their stockholders are about to make bank off of covid-19.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,486 Report post Posted June 4, 2020 6 hours ago, vegetable lasagna said: sounds like these pharma outfits and their stockholders are about to make bank off of covid-19.... weird... a bug that only affects an infinitesimal amount of our population that has caused an international panic response propagated by an agenda fueled media is going to ultimately end up lining the pockets of some fat cats??? say it aint so, joe... anyway, all you chicken littles keep hiding from the imaginary boogie bug... next weekend my boy terry is putting on a tournament... the son and i will be traveling to SD to throw some kids on their heads... we will go... we will have a good time... we will come back... everything will be as it was... 3 vegetable lasagna, Ohio Elite and cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 404 Report post Posted June 4, 2020 Such nuanced thought Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 889 Report post Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, vegetable lasagna said: sounds like these pharma outfits and their stockholders are about to make bank off of covid-19.... Will they still make bank if they produce millions of doses of a vaccine that doesn’t work? (Not saying it won’t work, just curious) Edited June 4, 2020 by 1032004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 889 Report post Posted June 4, 2020 7 hours ago, LJB said: weird... a bug that only affects an infinitesimal amount of our population that has caused an international panic response propagated by an agenda fueled media is going to ultimately end up lining the pockets of some fat cats??? say it aint so, joe... anyway, all you chicken littles keep hiding from the imaginary boogie bug... next weekend my boy terry is putting on a tournament... the son and i will be traveling to SD to throw some kids on their heads... we will go... we will have a good time... we will come back... everything will be as it was... Austin Gomez’s dad has it. https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/iowa-state-cyclones/isu-athletics-department-announces-positive-covid-19-result-20200603?template=amphtml Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vegetable lasagna 9 Report post Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, 1032004 said: Will they still make bank if they produce millions of doses of a vaccine that doesn’t work? (Not saying it won’t work, just curious) Of course they will... and, should their vaccine injure lots of people, they will still make bank... as vaccine producers are "immune" from liabilty for such injuries. When it happens, the federal govt foots the bill thru the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (aka, our tax dollars). 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vegetable lasagna 9 Report post Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, 1032004 said: Austin Gomez’s dad has it. https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/iowa-state-cyclones/isu-athletics-department-announces-positive-covid-19-result-20200603?template=amphtml Wishing Austin's dad a full and speedy recovery. I've been a fan of Austin since the 2019 southern scuffle... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
