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So, I was watching the Oklahoma camp videos.

Amine all but said he wouldn't be going 174, but did not indicate if the decision was made on him at 184 or 197.  What the crap?

Massa too.  Said that it wasn't decided if he was going 165, 174, or 184.  184?!  And that he's been lifting weights heavily(that to me indicates not 165), yet also said that he keeps his weight around 170(albeit when prepping for his cut to 74 keggers/163lbs).

What is everybody' take on this?  Where does Embree/Davison end up if Amine/Massa end up manning 184/197?  Can Embree make 174?  Do they go with the lineup bump?   Silva/Mattin/Freeman mans 141/149. Storr 157, Lewan 165, Cam Amine 174, Massa 184, Amine 197?

Just a weird lineup for me.

The one I want to see the lineup bump is Iowa State, personally. Start at 133, with Gomez up to 141.

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This is one of those situations where it may be dependent on who they believe gives them the best options as their 9th and 10th men and it seems they're not sold on who that is.

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I've seen this as a projected lineup and think it's probably their best bet. I think there's some questions still about where Micic and Myles Amine go, but I'd kind of be surprised if this wasn't it.

125 - Medley / McHenry
133 - Micic
141 - Silva
149 - Storr
157 - Lewan
165 - C. Amine
174 - Massa
184 - M. Amine
197 - Embree / Davison
Hwt - Parris

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19 minutes ago, BlueWolverine said:

I've seen this as a projected lineup and think it's probably their best bet. I think there's some questions still about where Micic and Myles Amine go, but I'd kind of be surprised if this wasn't it.

125 - Medley / McHenry
133 - Micic
141 - Silva
149 - Storr
157 - Lewan
165 - C. Amine
174 - Massa
184 - M. Amine
197 - Embree / Davison
Hwt - Parris

That is a good lineup

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9 minutes ago, BlueWolverine said:

I've seen this as a projected lineup and think it's probably their best bet. I think there's some questions still about where Micic and Myles Amine go, but I'd kind of be surprised if this wasn't it.

125 - Medley / McHenry
133 - Micic
141 - Silva
149 - Storr
157 - Lewan
165 - C. Amine
174 - Massa
184 - M. Amine
197 - Embree / Davison
Hwt - Parris

This seems to be their most formidable lineup from top to bottom.  Although I like Myles at 174 better, 184 was super thin(very unproven with only 1 returning AA and that was from 2 years prior)last year and that allows for him to move up without hitting any real "rock stars".   So, even though I think he would be a bit better wrestler at 174, he is probably the #1 at 184.

Cam Amine has the talent and pedigree, so I like seeing Massa, Myles and Embree go up to make room for him.  I think all 3 would be a bit better at their original weights, but making room for Cam makes the team better.

With that said, 197 is probably their "hole" unless, Davison has finally made the improvement I was expecting 2 years ago.  I know Embree battled injuries, but he didn't seem to have the horsepower at 184 that makes me confident he can handle the much bigger boys at 197.  After that, they have VERY strong Finalist potential at 133,184 and 285.  174 has strong AA potential.  149 and 157 have solid AA potential.  125 looks like a fringe AA/R12 type.  That leaves the young, but very talented Silva and Cam Amine to prove themselves.

They are shaping up to be about the best team they have had since they took 2nd in '05 when they had Bertin, Tannenbaum, R. Churella, J. Churella and Wagner to anchor their lineup!

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I also agree that it looks like Massa at 174.  That leaves me to wonder what the decision for 184/197 is.  Does Embree beat out Davison regardless of weight class? So does Embree-Amine look better than Amine-Embree?

Amine had no issues with size at 86 keggers this last internation season, and that was just after wrestling 174.  I don't really see an issue with him going 197 if he chooses.  His ceiling is the same.  A National Title.

Embree really hasn't grown a lot since he was a freshmen in High School.  He had said in an interview before his rs-fr season when he was asked if it looked like he was a lifer 184 like Abounader or would he eventually move up, and his response was that he cuts less than the rest of the team to make 184 and it wouldn't be too difficult to make 174.  I know that was 2 years ago now, though.  All I mean by that is, perhaps 197 is just too big for Embree and his style.

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8 hours ago, nhs67 said:

So, I was watching the Oklahoma camp videos.

Amine all but said he wouldn't be going 174, 

Massa too.   yet also said that he keeps his weight around 170(albeit when prepping for his cut to 74 keggers/163lbs).

What is everybody' take on this?  

Well, first what Oklahoma campers you talking about juniorers higher schoolers, graders schoolers?

And if he's cutting down to 70 something keggers is that 70 kegs per week, per month, per year?  Even if per year prob not gonna be in shape to wrestle so what's the point of the cut?  ;_;

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Kurt still is only 120 look for him to take another Olympic and then a RS next year.Myles at 197 could be the way they go.Wrestling 86kg (189) walking around at 200 is very possible

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The bumped line up looks very solid, and may be the best bets for high placements for the seniors. 165 is so stacked though a healthy Massa is right there with any of those guys. Having been battling injuries in college it may be better for his body to not have to constantly get his weight down (though 165 from 170 if that number is true is not much of a difference). I will say, I am not sure I see Massa beating Kemmerer as much as I could see him winning over Marinelli, but there are also 5 or 6 guys around Marinelli's level where there are maybe 1 or 2 others somewhat close to Kem. Salty looking line up.

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2 hours ago, BlueWolverine said:

I've seen this as a projected lineup and think it's probably their best bet. I think there's some questions still about where Micic and Myles Amine go, but I'd kind of be surprised if this wasn't it.

125 - Medley / McHenry
133 - Micic
141 - Silva
149 - Storr
157 - Lewan
165 - C. Amine
174 - Massa
184 - M. Amine
197 - Embree / Davison
Hwt - Parris

Well micic will be 57 kg for the Olympics so I would imagine he’s back at 133 this year so I can’t possibly see him moving up and why try and hold 125 all year and have to face lee multiple times 

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That certainly may be the case, or it may be that he thought he had a better chance cutting down to 165. If you would have said three years ago that Amine is beating Massa I would have laughed and ignored your comment but after all we have seen I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.

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2 hours ago, ionel said:

Well, first what Oklahoma campers you talking about juniorers higher schoolers, graders schoolers?

And if he's cutting down to 70 something keggers is that 70 kegs per week, per month, per year?  Even if per year prob not gonna be in shape to wrestle so what's the point of the cut?  ;_;

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3 hours ago, ionel said:

Well, first what Oklahoma campers you talking about juniorers higher schoolers, graders schoolers?

And if he's cutting down to 70 something keggers is that 70 kegs per week, per month, per year?  Even if per year prob not gonna be in shape to wrestle so what's the point of the cut?  ;_;

You're trying entirely too hard to be stupid.

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2 hours ago, Perry said:

The bumped line up looks very solid, and may be the best bets for high placements for the seniors. 165 is so stacked though a healthy Massa is right there with any of those guys. Having been battling injuries in college it may be better for his body to not have to constantly get his weight down (though 165 from 170 if that number is true is not much of a difference). I will say, I am not sure I see Massa beating Kemmerer as much as I could see him winning over Marinelli, but there are also 5 or 6 guys around Marinelli's level where there are maybe 1 or 2 others somewhat close to Kem. Salty looking line up.

He said that his cut at the Farrell he cut from 180 the week of for 163(74 keggers).  He said for Senior Nats he cut from 170 to make weight the week of.

He has an interview that is behind the Flo paywall that came out a few days ago for that camp the Michigan and Jersey boys went to in Oklahoma.

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These are the listings used by Wrestlestat as far as their rating/ranking goes, and what weight class they 'expect' them to be at.  Here are peeps I could see starting at some point in some scenario.

Weight-Name-Class (Range)
125-
#18 Medley, Jack-RSJR (125/133)
#159 McHenry, Kurt-RSFR (125)
133-
#1 Micic, Stevan-RSSR (125/133)
141-
#39 Mattin, Cole-SO (141/149)
#23 Silva, Joey-RSSO (133/141)
#35 Mattin, Drew-RSJR (133/149)
#71 Freeman, Ben-RSJR (141/157)
149-
#12 Storr, Kanen-RSSR (141/157)
#155 Freeman, Nick-RSSO (141/149)
157-
#13 Lewan, Will-RSSO (149/165)
165-
#20 Amine, Cameron-RSFR (157/174)
#53 Meisinger, Tyler-RSSR (157/165)
#69 Hughes, Reece-RSJR (165/184)
#97 van Anrooy, Layne-RSJR (165/174)
174-
#2 Massa, Logan-RSSR (165/184)
#96 Maylor, Max-RSSO (174)
#154 Bullock, Jaden FR (165/174)
184-
#1 Amine, Myles RSSR (184/197)
#80 Striggow, Bobby-RSSO (184)
#132 Correll, JT-RSJR (184)
197-
#23 Embree, Jelani-RSJR (184/197)
#45 Davison, Andrew-RSJR (184/197)
#133 Garcia, Gaige FR (197)
285-
#2 Parris, Mason-JR (285)

Okay.

To me their best... 12 are:
#18 Medley, Jack-RSJR (125/133)
#1 Micic, Stevan-RSSR (125/133)
#23 Silva, Joey-RSSO (133/141)
#35 Mattin, Drew-RSJR (133/149)
#12 Storr, Kanen-RSSR (141/157)
#13 Lewan, Will-RSSO (149/165)
#20 Amine, Cameron-RSFR (157/174)
#2 Massa, Logan-RSSR (165/184)
#1 Amine, Myles RSSR (184/197)
#23 Embree, Jelani-RSJR (184/197)
#45 Davison, Andrew-RSJR (184/197)
#2 Parris, Mason-JR (285)

Wildcards are:
#71 Freeman, Ben-RSJR (141/157)
#154 Bullock, Jaden FR (165/174)
#133 Garcia, Gaige FR (197)

It makes the most sense to do the bump and have Amine/Embree/Davison handle 184/197 in some fashion.

Unless Garcia ends up going nuts and earning the spot.  Same for Bullock.  Both are rather high recruits, with a lot of potential.  If Michigan puts a better starting lineup on the mat with one of them in it, I would not be upset by that at all.

I could say the same for Freeman, as well.  I don't think it is HEW.  I think it is/was injuries and the weight cut.

I believe this lineup:

149-Storr/Freeman
157-Freeman/Storr
165-Lewan/Amine
174-Amine/Lewan
184-Massa
197-Amine

has potential to rival this linup for peak potential:

149-Storr
157-Lewan
165-Amine
174-Massa
184-Amine
197-Embree/Davison

At the end of the day, I think it's simple, and we'll see the latter, with 184/197 possibly swapping.  Silva/Mattin at 141, with one of them possibly going 133 if Micic decides he wants to debunk the myth that is Spencer Lee.

I just thought it was interesting that Amine said absolutely no to 174, and said that it wasn't decided if he was 184 or 197 yet as well as Massa saying it wasn't decided if he was 165, 174, or 184 yet.

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1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

You're trying entirely too hard to be stupid.

Good grief man look who is being stupid!  The abbreviation is kg only two letters a  lot less to type that that other nonsense.  ;_;

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32 minutes ago, ionel said:

Good grief man look who is being stupid!  The abbreviation is kg only two letters a  lot less to type that that other nonsense.  ;_;

Get over yourself.  It's a bit disturbing that you get your jollies off of the term keggers being used in lieu of kg.

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On 5/29/2020 at 1:08 PM, nhs67 said:

These are the listings used by Wrestlestat as far as their rating/ranking goes, and what weight class they 'expect' them to be at.  Here are peeps I could see starting at some point in some scenario.

Weight-Name-Class (Range)
125-
#18 Medley, Jack-RSJR (125/133)
#159 McHenry, Kurt-RSFR (125)
133-
#1 Micic, Stevan-RSSR (125/133)
141-
#39 Mattin, Cole-SO (141/149)
#23 Silva, Joey-RSSO (133/141)
#35 Mattin, Drew-RSJR (133/149)
#71 Freeman, Ben-RSJR (141/157)
149-
#12 Storr, Kanen-RSSR (141/157)
#155 Freeman, Nick-RSSO (141/149)
157-
#13 Lewan, Will-RSSO (149/165)
165-
#20 Amine, Cameron-RSFR (157/174)
#53 Meisinger, Tyler-RSSR (157/165)
#69 Hughes, Reece-RSJR (165/184)
#97 van Anrooy, Layne-RSJR (165/174)
174-
#2 Massa, Logan-RSSR (165/184)
#96 Maylor, Max-RSSO (174)
#154 Bullock, Jaden FR (165/174)
184-
#1 Amine, Myles RSSR (184/197)
#80 Striggow, Bobby-RSSO (184)
#132 Correll, JT-RSJR (184)
197-
#23 Embree, Jelani-RSJR (184/197)
#45 Davison, Andrew-RSJR (184/197)
#133 Garcia, Gaige FR (197)
285-
#2 Parris, Mason-JR (285)

Okay.

To me their best... 12 are:
#18 Medley, Jack-RSJR (125/133)
#1 Micic, Stevan-RSSR (125/133)
#23 Silva, Joey-RSSO (133/141)
#35 Mattin, Drew-RSJR (133/149)
#12 Storr, Kanen-RSSR (141/157)
#13 Lewan, Will-RSSO (149/165)
#20 Amine, Cameron-RSFR (157/174)
#2 Massa, Logan-RSSR (165/184)
#1 Amine, Myles RSSR (184/197)
#23 Embree, Jelani-RSJR (184/197)
#45 Davison, Andrew-RSJR (184/197)
#2 Parris, Mason-JR (285)

Wildcards are:
#71 Freeman, Ben-RSJR (141/157)
#154 Bullock, Jaden FR (165/174)
#133 Garcia, Gaige FR (197)

It makes the most sense to do the bump and have Amine/Embree/Davison handle 184/197 in some fashion.

Unless Garcia ends up going nuts and earning the spot.  Same for Bullock.  Both are rather high recruits, with a lot of potential.  If Michigan puts a better starting lineup on the mat with one of them in it, I would not be upset by that at all.

I could say the same for Freeman, as well.  I don't think it is HEW.  I think it is/was injuries and the weight cut.

I believe this lineup:

149-Storr/Freeman
157-Freeman/Storr
165-Lewan/Amine
174-Amine/Lewan
184-Massa
197-Amine

has potential to rival this linup for peak potential:

149-Storr
157-Lewan
165-Amine
174-Massa
184-Amine
197-Embree/Davison

At the end of the day, I think it's simple, and we'll see the latter, with 184/197 possibly swapping.  Silva/Mattin at 141, with one of them possibly going 133 if Micic decides he wants to debunk the myth that is Spencer Lee.

I just thought it was interesting that Amine said absolutely no to 174, and said that it wasn't decided if he was 184 or 197 yet as well as Massa saying it wasn't decided if he was 165, 174, or 184 yet.

A lot of these guys are just flatly too small for the weights your suggesting. Neither Kanen or Ben Freeman have nearly enough size to wrestle 157, and the same applies to Cam Amine or Lewan wrestling 174.

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9 hours ago, lurk_nowitzki said:

A lot of these guys are just flatly too small for the weights your suggesting. Neither Kanen or Ben Freeman have nearly enough size to wrestle 157, and the same applies to Cam Amine or Lewan wrestling 174.

I agree. I'm not suggesting it as an option because I see it happening.

I am suggesting it because we have seen and said that about other folks and watched them be successful.

And anyways... if Massa and Amine are saying that they're talking about manning the 184/197lb spots then there is no reason Storr or Freeman can't man the 157 or that Lewan or Amine can't man the 174 spot.

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7 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I agree. I'm not suggesting it as an option because I see it happening.

I am suggesting it because we have seen and said that about other folks and watched them be successful.

And anyways... if Massa and Amine are saying that they're talking about manning the 184/197lb spots then there is no reason Storr or Freeman can't man the 157 or that Lewan or Amine can't man the 174 spot.

Eh, even if logan is up at 184, which is super unlikely, I still think they'd score more NCAA points just keeping Storr/Lewan/Cam at 149/157/165 and then just going with whoever wins the spot at 174. All of 3 of those guys are AA candidates at their projected weights, and I don't think any of them would be in the AA hunt if they moved up. Maybe the bump would make them a slightly better dual team, but with this much talent their focus to needs to be scoring tournament points in March.

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9 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I agree. I'm not suggesting it as an option because I see it happening.

I am suggesting it because we have seen and said that about other folks and watched them be successful.

And anyways... if Massa and Amine are saying that they're talking about manning the 184/197lb spots then there is no reason Storr or Freeman can't man the 157 or that Lewan or Amine can't man the 174 spot.

Lewan is an average size 157.

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