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5 minutes ago, russelscout said:

Yeah, but this is the first time you have talked about it on this forum sparky. You hate on everyone for doing the exact same thing you are. Kind of similar to all the complaining about the things you watch on your TV. There is a name for people like you...

of course it is... it is nobody's business except mine...

you made a typical scout declaration/statement/question and didn't expect an actual response that meant somehting...

i get it...

you will learn at some point little fella...

or not...

 

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18 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Can you site anything he’s said that’s

1. Well researched 

2. Clearly expressed

3. persuasive to anyone outside of his group think mentality?

If you'll explain how to access his post history, sure.

As someone who thought very little of russelscout initially, and argued with him quite a bit in more than few wrestling threads, I was initially irritated to learn how well he critically thinks.  Eventually I realized our wrestling ideologies (for lack of a better phrase) weren't as divided as I'd once thought either; I'd simply been unable to get past his Iowa support.  My mistake, and hopefully, lesson learned.

I sometimes suspect LJB and I share substantially more common ground as well; at least until his next post inevitably ruins the moment.

 

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17 minutes ago, russelscout said:

The first postrevolutionary migrant wave, from 1959 to 1962, has been dubbed the Golden Exile because most refugees came from the upper and middle strata of Cuban society. (Members of this cohort prefer to describe themselves as “historical exiles.”) The majority were urban, middle-aged, well-educated, light-skinned, and white-collar workers. Most were born in the largest cities, particularly Havana. Many fled for political or religious reasons, fearing persecution by the revolutionary government. During this period, between 1,600 and 1,700 Cubans arrived in the United States per week on commercial airlines, and the U.S. government admitted approximately 248,100 Cubans. One dramatic episode during this period was Operation Pedro Pan, which brought more than 14,000 unaccompanied children to the United States between December 1960 and October 1962.

Much later:

But the deterioration in U.S.-Cuban relations since 1959, together with faltering economic and political conditions on the island, produced a much more heterogeneous Cuban American population. Successive migrant waves drew deeper from the middle and lower strata of Cuban society over time, and more recent émigrés represent a wide cross-section of Cuban society. In addition, economic motivations became increasingly intertwined with political ones during the later migrant waves.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/cuban-migration-postrevolution-exodus-ebbs-and-flows

Thanks for saving me a trip through your posting history!

Antitroll, please consider question 1 answered.

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2 minutes ago, whaletail said:

If you'll explain how to access his post history, sure.

As someone who thought very little of russelscout initially, and argued with him quite a bit in more than few wrestling threads, I was initially irritated to learn how well he critically thinks.  Eventually I realized our wrestling ideologies (for lack of a better phrase) weren't as divided as I'd once thought either; I'd simply been unable to get past his Iowa support.  My mistake, and hopefully, lesson learned.

I sometimes suspect LJB and I share substantially more common ground as well; at least until his next post inevitably ruins the moment.

 

Yeah regardless of whether you agree with his conclusions, you'd be hard pressed to find a poster that puts more effort into articulating his views clearly than russelscout. 

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14 minutes ago, LJB said:

of course it is... it is nobody's business except mine...

you made a typical scout declaration/statement/question and didn't expect an actual response that meant somehting...

i get it...

you will learn at some point little fella...

or not...

 

Ya, its nobodies business but yours, because no one comes here and posts on this forum for any reason other than that its an escape. People talk about things that dont affect their lives here and thats ok. Youre not alone in that.

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Just now, russelscout said:

Ya, its nobodies business but yours, because no one comes here and posts on this forum for any reason other than that its an escape. People talk about things that dont affect their lives here and thats ok.

hey, scout... you are doing it again...

i could not possibly care what anyone talks about on here... i choose to participate in some discussions when i am compelled... that is clearly to some's chagrin...

i guess more than anything i don't understand your point...

are you seeking some sort of validation?

it seems like it...

 

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Just now, LJB said:

hey, scout... you are doing it again...

i could not possibly care what anyone talks about on here... i choose to participate in some discussions when i am compelled... that is clearly to some's chagrin...

i guess more than anything i don't understand your point...

are you seeking some sort of validation?

it seems like it...

 

No, Im just trying to let you know you shouldn't act like everyone who is here is deeply invested in the things they choose to discuss. Most people are just wasting time like you, so the whole thing where you act like you are better than everyone else who quibbles over something is unnecessary. Most are quibbling just to quibble.

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1 minute ago, russelscout said:

No, Im just trying to let you know you shouldn't act like everyone who is here is deeply invested in the things they choose to discuss. Most people are just wasting time like you, so the whole thing where you act like you are better than everyone else who quibbles over something is unnecessary. Most are quibbling just to quibble.

publicly calling someone a racist under the protection anonymity is not just quibbling... it's deplorable behavior... 

quibbling i fully understand...

and don't make yourself look so naive by making a statement that most involved in the race discussions lately are just "quibbling"

we have had some really well meaning impassioned fools make themselves look really silly lately...

i would suggest you not get so emotional about the things i say particularly if you are just here to "quibble"

or continue to get emotional...

tomorrow i will headed to SD to actually watch wrestling, so, it will be up to you to forge the path of the righteous... i hope you can make us all real proud...

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5 minutes ago, LJB said:

publicly calling someone a racist under the protection anonymity is not just quibbling... it's deplorable behavior... 

quibbling i fully understand...

and don't make yourself look so naive by making a statement that most involved in the race discussions lately are just "quibbling"

we have had some really well meaning impassioned fools make themselves look really silly lately...

i would suggest you not get so emotional about the things i say particularly if you are just here to "quibble"

or continue to get emotional...

tomorrow i will headed to SD to actually watch wrestling, so, it will be up to you to forge the path of the righteous... i hope you can make us all real proud...

So when is it ok to have that discussion?  Now seems as good of a time as ever to talk about race issues. You do not have to be a part of those threads, but choose to be. 

You take part in the convo and then complain that its happening.

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1 minute ago, russelscout said:

So when is it ok to have that discussion?  Now seems as good of a time as ever to talk about race issues. You do not have to be a part of those threads, but choose to be. 

did you miss the part where i said i don't care what anyone chooses to talk about?

i'm all for any and all discussion...

i was all for the discussion where you were showing your a$$ and got the other thread locked down...

i'm bout it bout it...

but, when someone does something that is truly disgusting it should be called out... ridiculed... and referenced as many times as possible until that fool gets some clarity...

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9 minutes ago, LJB said:

did you miss the part where i said i don't care what anyone chooses to talk about?

i'm all for any and all discussion...

i was all for the discussion where you were showing your a$$ and got the other thread locked down...

i'm bout it bout it...

but, when someone does something that is truly disgusting it should be called out... ridiculed... and referenced as many times as possible until that fool gets some clarity...

You do care what they talk about though. You say that and then complain about later in this post.

And when discussing these things you dont argue the point. You use ad hominems and argue the legitimacy of the arguement rather than the actual point. Thats fine if you want to be that guy, but if you're going to stoop that low, you have no leg to stand on when claiming some kind of moral or intellectual superiority.

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1 minute ago, russelscout said:

But you dont argue the point. You use ad hominems and argue the legitimacy of the arguement rather than the actual point. Thats fine if you want to be that guy, but if you're going to stoop that low, you have no leg to stand on when claiming some kind of moral or intellectual superiority.

i use everything when it suits me...

i provide arguments... i provide examples... i provide facts...

when all that fails i point and laugh...

if you think that is going to bother me when you say it, well, you might be surprised...

one of  the differences between me and some is that i have no problem claiming superiority on some things... i also have no problem saying i don't have a fukn clue... 

welcome to the grown up's table, son... that is how we do it here...

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3 minutes ago, LJB said:

i provide arguments... i provide examples... i provide facts...

Source? I must have you confused with someone else. 

Thats fine though. Once again Dunning Kruger affect. You dont know, what you dont know. Lucky for you, you dont need to google it this time.

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1 minute ago, russelscout said:

Source? I must have you confused with someone else. 

Thats fine though. Once again Dunning Kruger affect. You dont know, what you dont know. Lucky for you, you dont need to google it this time.

i will 100% agree you are confused...

of that there is little doubt...

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1 hour ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Poor people horribly oppressed, a jailable offense for standing in groups of 4 or more bc you may be plotting a government overthrow, talks about education but most of the country didn’t even have schools, just ridiculous you people spread that Castro BS that the people swimming across the ocean are the old ruling class 

I said nothing about today.  Go back to your post and look at the verb tense.  The old ruling class is mostly dead and their ancestors live here.  The fact they had no schools is indicative why the revolution was popular with commoners.

Can't you see the appeal communism and socialism hold for people who live in an endless cycle of poverty, squalor and oppression?  They can't overthrow their oppressors and form a capitalist society because they have no capital.

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23 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

I said nothing about today.  Go back to your post and look at the verb tense.  The old ruling class is mostly dead and their ancestors live here.  The fact they had no schools is indicative why the revolution was popular with commoners.

Can't you see the appeal communism and socialism hold for people who live in an endless cycle of poverty, squalor and oppression?  They can't overthrow their oppressors and form a capitalist society because they have no capital.

No because socialism and communism is an endless cycle of poverty, squalor and oppression.....

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26 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

No because socialism and communism is an endless cycle of poverty, squalor and oppression.....

Just for a second, take a deep breath and set aside all of the emotion and preconceived opposition you have to communism. Set aside whether you think it works or not, whether it's possible, or whether it's moral. 

Now ask yourself the question: Can you see why people who have lived generations in poverty would be interested in an ideology/system that claims to be in direct and complete opposition to the current system that impoverishes them? Especially an ideology that places the empowerment of the poor at its center? Can you see why the poor might be attracted to that?

Slowing down and asking questions about why someone might think something and how they came to think it will make you a better thinker. It will also help you craft better arguments, not just regurgitate platitudes.

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12 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Just for a second, take a deep breath and set aside all of the emotion and preconceived opposition you have to communism. Set aside whether you think it works or not, whether it's possible, or whether it's moral. 

Now ask yourself the question: Can you see why people who have lived generations in poverty would be interested in an ideology/system that claims to be in direct and complete opposition to the current system that impoverishes them? Especially an ideology that places the empowerment of the poor at its center? Can you see why the poor might be attracted to that?

Slowing down and asking questions about why someone might think something and how they came to think it will make you a better thinker. It will also help you craft better arguments, not just regurgitate platitudes.

With that being said, why do relatively well-off people or even wealthy people in the US think it is a good idea? Keep in mind the historic attempts at creating communist states in the 20th century and how they worked out for the nations and their peoples as a whole.

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2 hours ago, russelscout said:

Last word.

i must say, your little internet parlor trick gave me quite the laugh... i had to run to pick up the kid right after posting and noticed this on the road... sooooo clever!

BTW, why go back and edit every damn post?

seems like a lot of work after the fact...

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1 hour ago, LJB said:

i must say, your little internet parlor trick gave me quite the laugh... i had to run to pick up the kid right after posting and noticed this on the road... sooooo clever!

BTW, why go back and edit every damn post?

seems like a lot of work after the fact...

As my english teacher used to say, "the real writing begins on the edit."

Why do you end ever sentence with an ellipsis? Sometime sentences actually end. 

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