Jim L 327 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 13 hours ago, irani said: One other team that dominated, although perhaps not quite at the same level as the other posts here .is Iran at the 1961 Freestyle world chmapionship in Yokahama, Japan 5 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze, 1 5th place out of 8 Men's freestyle[edit] Event Gold Silver Bronze Flyweight 52 kg Ali Aliyev Soviet Union Nasrollah Soltaninejad Iran Cemal Yanılmaz Turkey Bantamweight 57 kg Ebrahim Seifpour Iran János Varga Hungary Hüseyin Akbaş Turkey Featherweight 62 kg Vladimir Rubashvili Soviet Union Yunus Pehlivan Turkey Hamid Tavakkol Iran Lightweight 67 kg Mohammad Ali Sanatkaran Iran Vladimir Sinyavsky Soviet Union Udey Chand India Welterweight 73 kg Emam-Ali Habibi Iran Mikhail Bekmurzov Soviet Union Yutaka Kaneko Japan Middleweight 79 kg Mansour Mehdizadeh Iran Géza Hollósi Hungary Hans Antonsson Sweden Light heavyweight 87 kg Gholamreza Takhti Iran Boris Gurevich Soviet Union Hasan Güngör Turkey Heavyweight +87 kg Wilfried Dietrich West Germany Hamit Kaplan Turkey Aleksandr Medved Soviet Union Maybe the best non Soviet/Russian team ever? Any other contenders? 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 823 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Jim L said: Maybe the best non Soviet/Russian team ever? Any other contenders? US 1984 with an astrix? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 327 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, irani said: US 1984 with an astrix? I don't think so. I think even the most rabid US fan would say at best they might have been equal to the Soviets. They were not by far the best at team in the world. The competition did not show up. Edited June 28, 2020 by Jim L 1 JHRoseWrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 823 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Jim L said: I don't think so. I think even the most rabid US fan would say at best they might have been equal to the Soviets. They were not by far the best at team in the world. The competition did not show up. really BIG astrix? :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 327 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, irani said: really BIG astrix? :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 327 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 Sure not quite as big as the 1904 *.. I looked at the results from the 1983 and 1985 would championships and by my count 22-23 of the 30 medalists were not at the 1984 games, it was not just the Soviets that did not show, Bulgaria, Hungary, Cuba and more boycotted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 823 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jim L said: Sure not quite as big as the 1904 *.. I looked at the results from the 1983 and 1985 would championships and by my count 22-23 of the 30 medalists were not at the 1984 games, it was not just the Soviets that did not show, Bulgaria, Hungary, Cuba and more boycotted. Yes, I agree with 1984. People like Jordanov, Beloglazov, FadZaev, and Khadartsev were deprived of a chance to compete in the 1984 olympics. It has to be a giant * Based on your original question, I went back and looked at all world championships, of course Russia and USSRA won most, but here are the winners Year Dates City and host country Team champion 1951 26–29 April Helsinki, Finland Turkey 1954 22–25 May Tokyo, Japan Turkey 1957 1–2 June Istanbul, Turkey Turkey 1959 1–5 October Tehran, Iran Soviet Union 1961 2–4 June Yokohama, Japan Iran 1962 21–23 June Toledo, United States Soviet Union 1963 31 May – 2 June Sofia, Bulgaria Soviet Union 1965 1–3 June Manchester, United Kingdom Iran 1966 16–18 June Toledo, United States Turkey 1967 12–14 November New Delhi, India Soviet Union 1969 8–10 March Mar del Plata, Argentina Soviet Union 1970 9–11 July Edmonton, Canada Soviet Union 1971 27–30 August Sofia, Bulgaria Soviet Union 1973[a] 6–9 September Tehran, Iran Soviet Union 1974 29 August – 1 September Istanbul, Turkey Soviet Union 1975 15–18 September Minsk, Soviet Union Soviet Union 1977 21–23 October Lausanne, Switzerland Soviet Union 1978 24–27 August Mexico City, Mexico Soviet Union 1979 25–28 August San Diego, United States Soviet Union 1981 11–14 September Skopje, Yugoslavia Soviet Union 1982 11–14 August Edmonton, Canada Soviet Union 1983 26–29 September Kiev, Soviet Union Soviet Union 1985 10–13 October Budapest, Hungary Soviet Union 1986 19–22 October Budapest, Hungary Soviet Union 1987 26–29 August Clermont-Ferrand, France Soviet Union 1989 31 August – 3 September Martigny, Switzerland Soviet Union 1990 6–9 September Tokyo, Japan Soviet Union 1991 3–6 October Varna, Bulgaria Soviet Union 1993 25–28 August Toronto, Canada United States 1994 25–28 August Istanbul, Turkey Turkey 1995 10–13 August Atlanta, United States United States 1997 28–31 August Krasnoyarsk, Russia Russia 1998 8–11 September Tehran, Iran Iran 1999 7–10 October Ankara, Turkey Russia 2001 22–25 November Sofia, Bulgaria Russia 2002 5–7 September Tehran, Iran Iran 2003 12–14 September New York, United States Georgia Year Dates City and host country Team champion Men's freestyle Men's Greco-Roman Women's freestyle 2005 26 September – 2 October Budapest, Hungary Russia Hungary Japan 2006 25 September – 1 October Guangzhou, China Russia Turkey Japan 2007 17–23 September Baku, Azerbaijan Russia United States Japan 2008 11–13 October Tokyo, Japan — — Japan 2009 21–27 September Herning, Denmark Russia Turkey Azerbaijan 2010 6–12 September Moscow, Russia Russia Russia Japan 2011 12–18 September Istanbul, Turkey Russia Russia Japan 2012 27–29 September Strathcona County, Canada — — China 2013 16–22 September Budapest, Hungary Iran Russia Japan 2014 8–14 September Tashkent, Uzbekistan Russia Iran Japan 2015 7–15 September Las Vegas, United States Russia Russia Japan 2016 10–11 December Budapest, Hungary — — — 2017 21–26 August Paris, France United States Russia Japan 2018 20–28 October Budapest, Hungary Russia Russia Japan 2019 14–22 September Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan Russia Russia Japan Other than Iran in 1961, the only other non Russia/USSR team to win in domianting fashion was Turkey in 1951. USSR did not even particpate as far as I can tell, and Turkey dominated en's freestyle[edit] Event Gold Silver Bronze Flyweight 52 kg Ali Yücel Turkey Mahmoud Mollaghasemi Iran Bengt Johansson Sweden Bantamweight 57 kg Nasuh Akar Turkey Niilo Turkkila Finland Mehdi Yaghoubi Iran Featherweight 62 kg Nurettin Zafer Turkey Ilmari Ruikka Finland Henry Holmberg Sweden Lightweight 67 kg Olle Anderberg Sweden Garibaldo Nizzola Italy İbrahim Zengin Turkey Welterweight 73 kg Celal Atik Turkey Aleksanteri Keisala Finland Abdollah Mojtabavi Iran Middleweight 79 kg Haydar Zafer Turkey Gholamreza Takhti Iran Göte Ekström Sweden Light heavyweight 87 kg Yaşar Doğu Turkey Viking Palm Sweden Max Leichter West Germany Heavyweight +87 kg Bertil Antonsson Sweden Pauli Riihimäki Finland Natale Vecchi Italy Who Knew, at one time Sweden and Finland were big in FS wrestling? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 327 Report post Posted June 29, 2020 It looks like 1951 only had 6 nations competing so Turkey gets an asterisk as well 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingstrength 7 Report post Posted June 30, 2020 1985 Worlds in Hungary: Soviets = 5 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze. 22 of the 30 medals (Including 8 of the Golds) in this Championships were won by nations that boycotted the 84 Summer Games Of further note, 6 of the 10 Members of the USA Olympic Wrestling Team were not on this squad (Weaver, Davis, Lewis, Rein, Banach, Banach). For what varying reasons they did not compete I do not know though I do know that Ed Banach had terrible problems with concussions. In fact I think he wrestled the Gold Medal Match against Ota while suffering from one. I believe he retired after the games. That change in squad dynamics represented a loss of 4 Golds and 2 Silvers. How all this figures into the asterisk is up for debate. Interesting data though. Joe Gonzales is the only athlete to compete on both the 84 and 85 teams who didn't medal either year (DNP in 84, 4th in 85) . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 823 Report post Posted June 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, wrestlingstrength said: 1985 Worlds in Hungary: Soviets = 5 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze. 22 of the 30 medals (Including 8 of the Golds) in this Championships were won by nations that boycotted the 84 Summer Games Of further note, 6 of the 10 Members of the USA Olympic Wrestling Team were not on this squad (Weaver, Davis, Lewis, Rein, Banach, Banach). For what varying reasons they did not compete I do not know though I do know that Ed Banach had terrible problems with concussions. In fact I think he wrestled the Gold Medal Match against Ota while suffering from one. I believe he retired after the games. That change in squad dynamics represented a loss of 4 Golds and 2 Silvers. How all this figures into the asterisk is up for debate. Interesting data though. Joe Gonzales is the only athlete to compete on both the 84 and 85 teams who didn't medal either year (DNP in 84, 4th in 85) . Very interesting analysis. I wonder why Mongolia boycotted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,069 Report post Posted June 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, irani said: Very interesting analysis. I wonder why Mongolia boycotted? They weren't allowed to protest? 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingstrength 7 Report post Posted June 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, irani said: Very interesting analysis. I wonder why Mongolia boycotted? According to Wikipedia they were one of the earlier nations to announce. The initial order was the Soviets then: Bulgaria, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos and Czechoslovakia. All the other nations came after that. Mongolia was a Communist Nation in 1984 and since its inception as a communist country received considerable aid from the Soviets, including protection by a large number of Soviet Troops in Country to dissuade a Chinese invasion. They sided with the Soviets over the Chinese during the Sino-Soviet Split (The Chinese were one of the few Communist Nations that participated in the games). So I have to imagine that all was a big factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 823 Report post Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, wrestlingstrength said: According to Wikipedia they were one of the earlier nations to announce. The initial order was the Soviets then: Bulgaria, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos and Czechoslovakia. All the other nations came after that. Mongolia was a Communist Nation in 1984 and since its inception as a communist country received considerable aid from the Soviets, including protection by a large number of Soviet Troops in Country to dissuade a Chinese invasion. They sided with the Soviets over the Chinese during the Sino-Soviet Split (The Chinese were one of the few Communist Nations that participated in the games). So I have to imagine that all was a big factor. Thanks, I did not realize they were a communist country. But then again, I never said I knew much :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 823 Report post Posted August 10, 2020 I have another contender to add to the list The 1973 Soviet team in Tehran. 6 Gold, 3 Silver, 1 bronze Men's freestyle[edit] Event Gold Silver Bronze 48 kg Roman Dmitriyev Soviet Union Hasan Isaev Bulgaria Ochirdolgoryn Enkhtaivan Mongolia 52 kg Ebrahim Javadi Iran Arsen Allakhverdiyev Soviet Union Yuji Takada Japan 57 kg Mohsen Farahvashi Iran Megdiin Khoilogdorj Mongolia Vladimir Yumin Soviet Union 62 kg Zagalav Abdulbekov Soviet Union Heinz Stahr East Germany Mohammad Reza Navaei Iran 68 kg Lloyd Keaser United States Nasrulla Nasrullayev Soviet Union János Kocsis Hungary 74 kg Mansour Barzegar Iran Ruslan Ashuraliyev Soviet Union Jan Karlsson Sweden 82 kg Vasily Syulshin Soviet Union Vasile Iorga Romania Ismail Abilov Bulgaria 90 kg Levan Tediashvili Soviet Union Horst Stottmeister East Germany Ben Peterson United States 100 kg Ivan Yarygin Soviet Union József Csatári Hungary Dimitar Nekov Bulgaria +100 kg Soslan Andiyev Soviet Union Boyan Boev Bulgaria Ladislau Șimon Romania Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBPCOACH 4 Report post Posted August 10, 2020 Moscow 2010 was impressive for the Russians also. Rio 2016 was amazing for the Japanese women i believe, minus Yoshida. May have had all women in final i believe.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fullnelson 130 Report post Posted August 13, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 9:41 PM, irani said: Very interesting analysis. I wonder why Mongolia boycotted? Enkhee took silver representing Mongolia. Should have won; got beat in last seconds. Later suffers terrible accident that left him paralyzed. Watch him toss Gene Mills like a rag doll in the World Cup. 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 823 Report post Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, fullnelson said: Enkhee took silver representing Mongolia. Should have won; got beat in last seconds. Later suffers terrible accident that left him paralyzed. Watch him toss Gene Mills like a rag doll in the World Cup. Found the video. His approach in the last minute reminds of the prevent defense in NFL, seldom works https://www.youtube.com/27fa0e71-efa5-489e-ad68-807c7198f9d1 Edited August 13, 2020 by irani Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fullnelson 130 Report post Posted August 15, 2020 Enkhee vs Gene Mills -1986 World Cup 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
