I am curious about some more obscure wrestling statistics...

[MonagFam 33]

I don't know if any of my inquiries below have easily found results, but these popped into my head:

• Worst seeded wrestlers to win championships or All American?
• If different, worst W-L records for wrestlers that won/placed?
• Best seeded wrestlers to go 0-2....or great W-L records with nothing to show for it?

Feel free to add any other obscure stats or questions that others may know the answers to.

[ionel 1,122]

4 minutes ago, MonagFam said:

I don't know if any of my inquiries below have easily found results, but these popped into my head:

• Worst seeded wrestlers to win championships or All American?
• If different, worst W-L records for wrestlers that won/placed?
•  

Feel free to add any other obscure stats or questions that others may know the answers to.

Good grief, never heard of Branch? ;_;

[GockeS 379]

Max askren and maybe Greg Jones?

also Matt lindland went 0-1 as top seed lost bunny to Boston u earl something

 

[gimpeltf 1,272]

Not sure top seeds going 0-2 but 2003 Greg Jones WVU (2002, 2004, 2005 NCAA 1) top seed. 2-2

2002 Scott Justus VT top seed 1-2. Neither loss to placewinner. and the cons win was ot. 184- this was the weight where Rob Rohn ended up winning

[MonagFam 33]

7 hours ago, ionel said:

Good grief, never heard of Branch? ;_;

No.  I didn't start following until the 2019/20 so while there are probably some top wrestlers I am familiar with, there are probably way more I am not.

[gimpeltf 1,272]

3 minutes ago, MonagFam said:

No.  I didn't start following until the 2019/20 so while there are probably some top wrestlers I am familiar with, there are probably way more I am not.

https://gowyo.com/sports/wrestling/roster/coaches/mark-branch/139

[Downtown Brown 27]

8 hours ago, GockeS said:

Max askren and maybe Greg Jones?

also Matt lindland went 0-1 as top seed lost bunny to Boston u earl something

 

Matt L.  entered as #1 seed, was also unbeaten if I recall. Dropped his first round boot to Earl Walker of Boston University . When Walker was beaten the next match, Linland was eliminated. 

[1032004 685]

Mack Lewnes #1 seed in 2009 went 0-2 - sorry Mr. Lewnes, I've met him and he was a really cool kid (it was in HS), also heard their steakhouse in MD is amazing

Winner of that bracket was #12 seed Jarrod King who may be up there for lowest seeds to win (particularly recently)?  

https://stanford_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/old_site/pdf/m-wrestl/wrestlingfinal09ncaabrack.pdf

 

They only recently started seeding the whole bracket right?   Dakota Geer was a 26 seed in 2019 and AA'd.

https://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/images/2019/03/22/brackets.pdf

[portajohn 95]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Winner of that bracket was #12 seed Jarrod King who may be up there for lowest seeds to win (particularly recently)?  

Mark Branch did it in the 90's unseeded I believe.  And Cody Brewer was ranked #13 when he won it in '15...

[ionel 1,122]

1 hour ago, portajohn said:

Mark Branch did it in the 90's unseeded I believe.  And Cody Brewer was ranked #13 when he won it in '15...

Yes and where do you think Branch would be seeded today?  He had a losing record going into NCAA.

[gimpeltf 1,272]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Yes and where do you think Branch would be seeded today?  He had a losing record going into NCAA.

He wasn't top 12 then. He'd be pretty low now too, I would think. We have to assume that unseeded now would imply below 12th (at least).

[Husker_Du 528]

if i recall correctly, Branch was like 8-9 entering NCAA's.

recently Moisey made the finals unseeded. ronnie perry made it as the 15 seed. 

[smsu150 4]

Pretty obscure stat.  I once had 4 ties in a season.  Not sure if anyone else accomplished such a "feat."  The year after my "4-tie season" they did away with ties. 

[ionel 1,122]

11 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

if i recall correctly, Branch was like 8-9 entering NCAA's.

 

yes and he drew the #2 seed first match

[bnwtwg 342]

6 hours ago, gimpeltf said:

Not sure top seeds going 0-2 but 2003 Greg Jones WVU (2002, 2004, 2005 NCAA 1) top seed. 2-2

2002 Scott Justus VT top seed 1-2. Neither loss to placewinner. and the cons win was ot. 184- this was the weight where Rob Rohn ended up winning

This is not the Greg Jones I choose to remember from my childhood. It's up there with the Star Wars prequels and Rocky V

[Housebuye 2,018]

18 hours ago, smsu150 said:

Pretty obscure stat.  I once had 4 ties in a season.  Not sure if anyone else accomplished such a "feat."  The year after my "4-tie season" they did away with ties. 

This is the kind of record I like. Not even Cael broke your record. LEGEND

[smsu150 4]

1 hour ago, Housebuye said:

This is the kind of record I like. Not even Cael broke your record. LEGEND

It is an unbreakable record. 

[jdalu75 54]

This is an older example, but ....

In 1975 Jim Bennett of Yale was the top seed at 142 at EIWAs; he lost in the finals to Lehigh's Pat Sculley, who had been seeded second.  Two weeks later at NCAAs Sculley was seeded 4th and lost in the opening round to Dean Dixon of Oregon State.  Dixon didn't make it to the semi-finals (he fell one bout short of placing), so Sculley was eliminated.  Bennett, who was unseeded (they seeded just eight back then), beat the 8th, 1st, 5th, and 3rd seeds on his way to the title.

 

[jdalu75 54]

20 hours ago, smsu150 said:

Pretty obscure stat.  I once had 4 ties in a season.  Not sure if anyone else accomplished such a "feat."  The year after my "4-tie season" they did away with ties. 

In 1972-73 Lehigh's Terry DeStito went 17-8-4.  He finished his career with 8 ties, which may be a Lehigh record; it is since 1971.

[RichB 184]

In 1980 Cal Poly had 2 #1 seeds. They went 1-2. Admittedly Cal Poly had a nonseed place (8th)

 

[killdozer 39]

21 hours ago, smsu150 said:

Pretty obscure stat.  I once had 4 ties in a season.  Not sure if anyone else accomplished such a "feat."  The year after my "4-tie season" they did away with ties. 

In fairness, you did stall a lot.

[KCMO2 584]

Max Askren was 28-1 (he lost by a defensive pin to Kurt Backes) and the #1 seed his RS freshman year.  Went 0-2, losing to 2 unseeded wrestlers.

[gromit 416]

22 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

if i recall correctly, Branch was like 8-9 entering NCAA's.

 

yep, and it was in '94,.  He beat another unseeded wrestler in the finals (Laszlo Molnar, Cal St-Fullerton).  Molnar had knocked off the 4th seed (Rick Hepp, Lehigh) the 5th seed (Chris Kwortnik, NCST), and the 1st seed (Shaon Fry, Mizzou).

[AHamilton 321]

On 6/24/2020 at 9:18 AM, Downtown Brown said:

Matt L.  entered as #1 seed, was also unbeaten if I recall. Dropped his first round boot to Earl Walker of Boston University . When Walker was beaten the next match, Linland was eliminated. 

Didn't Walker come back to take 3rd that year?

Only to be eliminated the next year in a similar fashion to how Lindland lost out?

[patmilkovich 100]

SORRY SMSU add another tie to your total, we tie:  1975....My dual draws: 1-1 Fritz PSU, 1-1 Martin OSU, 4-4 Corso Purdue, 1-1 Reinwand Wis.....