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4 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

No they don’t, they work full time and go to school for one week every 4 months or so..and I said in my original post "sure you may be more versed in the major you studied but it's not a reflection of intelligence" so idk what you are arguing.

My buddy’s kid just got accepted as an apprentice electrician with a journeyman electrician. He has to work with him and go to school 3 nights per week for 4 years.

I was arguing how wrong you were in assuming certain salaries.  

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19 hours ago, Billyhoyle said:

Except people with college degrees make significantly more money than people without degrees. Our labor force is now and will continue to be about technology/being educated moreso than unskilled labor (driven in part by automation)-meaning college is a necessity for these jobs. And it’s not subjective-by any metric a degree from Stanford is worth the tuition and a degree from *insert for profit institution* is not. If you think college is such a ripoff, encourage your kids/grandkids not to go-odds are it won’t be a prudent financial decision. 

"Unskilled" labor?

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7 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Careless as what? You seem to think that everyone that goes to college is smarter then everyone that doesn’t and that’s just ridiculous and wrong. Do you know how many kids nowadays go to school for 4,5 years and major in the most useless crap, and learn next to nothing. 

As careless as "Going to college doesn’t make you more educated then someone that didn't" 

I didn't say anything about smarter.  That is your argument.  I said, and I quote, "what? ?".  I stand behind that comment! 

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Keep in mind we may have no sports to watch this fall..HS, college or pro, there are no new movies, we have already burned through everything on our streaming services and with the high number of unemployed and collecting a paycheck from home...we are going to be bored and this fall is going to be a wild ride politically.

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I tend to agree that a four year College education is overrated and unnecessary for many and also massively overpriced. And I am someone that has gone through the highest levels of education and was in some sort of higher education until I was 32 without taking any breaks. I feel like I could have gotten to that same point in 4-5 years earlier by cutting out a ton of fluff and waste that is not remotely pertinent to my current profession.

I've thought for a long time based on my own experience that there needs to be a massive overhaul in this country in regards to higher education, it's perceived value vs actual value and the massive out of control costs of it. It honestly disgusts me that these Universities get away with charging almost $100K a year in tuition, have Billions of dollars in endowments and yet cut sports like wrestling all in the name of "saving money". Give me an effing break. Shame...

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7 hours ago, DocBZ said:

I tend to agree that a four year College education is overrated and unnecessary for many and also massively overpriced. And I am someone that has gone through the highest levels of education and was in some sort of higher education until I was 32 without taking any breaks. I feel like I could have gotten to that same point in 4-5 years earlier by cutting out a ton of fluff and waste that is not remotely pertinent to my current profession.

I've thought for a long time based on my own experience that there needs to be a massive overhaul in this country in regards to higher education, it's perceived value vs actual value and the massive out of control costs of it.

I completely agree that the costs are out of control and a lot of what you learn you certainly won’t use in your job, but in the current system we live in, there is no question that without that degree there are many doors you can’t even walk through. It’s a gatekeeper to an awful lot of professions. So is it really overrated and unnecessary?  

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Apparently William & Mary plagiarized Stanford when making their cuts - https://swimswam.com/william-mary-plagiarized-stanfords-release-when-announcing-cut-of-swimming/?fbclid=IwAR11xTTKNAtZBTiO-xxWCOWpsdF-NPUKL0SRp1sLLWp_uf9qru9RFnUEQdw

Side note, apparently the swimming programs there have already raised $1m in 2 weeks, in addition to a $3m endowment that already existed, but no dice on possibly reinstating the teams.

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Anybody know what the cost of running the swim programs is each year? Seems like 4 million would cover the swim programs for 2 years. What it the reason for an endowment if the school won't even consider bringing back he sport if the money is sitting there in the bank?  It makes me wonder if an incentive to cutting the sport is the ability to steal the endowment for other purposes.. If I remember correctly, Oregon State has written into the endowment that the school cannot use money for 20 years if the program is eliminated. 

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